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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Kudo's for finding a way to bring Iraq and Cheney into this.
    Back at you for playing politics with Health and Death.
    Read, not just this thread but others to get an idea of the way things are.
    Patronizing people with these "read to get an idea of the way things are" comments is your continued undoing.
    And no-we aren't here to be the guardians of Africa's failed economies.
    Diversion recognized and dissoved.
    The africans have figured this out, why haven't you?
    If the Africans had figured this out, they wouldn't have this problem would they?
    How long before this brilliance falls apart genius?
    They haven't figured out jack****--meaning you haven't either--but keep up that patronizing--it fits you .
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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    We absolutely have the power to determine who comes here, and from where-even if the left does not like it. If your answer is to do nothing because it wont be perfect (tsa, tangential entry, etc) I disagree, and I'd argue this is too important to leave to the demonstrably failed measures we have taken up till now.

    Africa understands this, and they understand the risks.
    I never ever said not to do it. I am just trying to show people that it's not remotely as simple as they believe.

    We do have the ability to stop who gets off planes HERE, but we do not have the ability to stop it in other countries. And things get a lot more complicated when the planes are on our soil...esp. when there are Americans on them.

    And 'Africa' doesn't understand crap and they, like us, have their own best interests in mind.
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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    good news to go to bed on--
    I'm sure the naysayers will slam this so they don't lose an election prompt -

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    So do professionals in the field...

    Canada develops Ebola vaccine to be tested on 40 American volunteers
    Canada develops Ebola vaccine to be tested on 40 American volunteers - Washington Times
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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    That would certainly be untrue based on yer past posting.


    So you've been saying lately with yer new tactics--I'll rely on the experts in real life--
    but not the ones who dropped the ball in Texas and didn't do as they were told by the CDC.


    Trying to position yerself as better than other Americans--that tactic was stale when you first tried it.
    Just like trying to make a huge deal out of 4 deaths in Benghazi instead of 4,500 in Iraq.
    It's obvious what yer GOP is doingt repeating the words Ebola and ISIL to every question in debates without asking about them .
    I dont think Im better than anyone, but I do know what I know.

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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Back at you for playing politics with Health and Death.

    Patronizing people with these "read to get an idea of the way things are" comments is your continued undoing.

    Diversion recognized and dissoved.

    If the Africans had figured this out, they wouldn't have this problem would they?
    How long before this brilliance falls apart genius?
    They haven't figured out jack****--meaning you haven't either--but keep up that patronizing--it fits you .
    African nations are closing their borders for good reason, I dont blame them and dont think they would blame us, either.

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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I never ever said not to do it. I am just trying to show people that it's not remotely as simple as they believe.

    We do have the ability to stop who gets off planes HERE, but we do not have the ability to stop it in other countries. And things get a lot more complicated when the planes are on our soil...esp. when there are Americans on them.

    And 'Africa' doesn't understand crap and they, like us, have their own best interests in mind.
    Who said it was simple? Its not easy, but its what needs to be done, and no-we dont deal with the problem on our shores. They dont get on planes because the planes aren't flying here. Americans abroad will have to deal with quarantine and thats because this is about stopping the spread of infectious disease, not harming Africans.

    Africa understands enough to grasp communicable disease, thats enough.

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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I never ever said not to do it. I am just trying to show people that it's not remotely as simple as they believe.
    You do realize this is absolutely futile right?

    Partisan hacks care nothing about the realities of things. They just want to bash one party over the other. You cannot show the nuances of things to those who actively shut all forms of reason down to worship at the temple of partisanism. Fanatics don't view reason as something that is admirable. It's contemptible to them.

    The logistical problems of enacting a travel embargo on everyone from West Africa and everyone that may have come into contact with a West African at any point in the past few months would in a sense require a global big brother the likes that not even 1984 could imagine. Colombia is trying this right now and it's not working. Especially if people lie, or travel across the border in some other fashion. And let's not even discuss the sheer economic cost of putting huge roadblocks in our economy's way.

    This isn't the 1800s anymore. Despite the mentalities some here have.
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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Maybe the issue is not banning flights, but denying visas or cancelling visas already granted to people from those countries or people who have visited those countries, based on infectious risk. Surely it wouldn't stop an American citizen or dual citizen from coming in but at least it would cut down the odds. People say that banning flights is not the answer because it ignores the transmission mode (not airborne so a passenger would have to be vomiting/having diarrhea etc to contaminate fellow passengers. But this ignores the bigger problem: the long incubation rate. A passenger without symptoms like Mr. Duncan got a visitor's visa, entered America asymptomatic, then developed symptoms, and infected two American nurses. If Mr. Duncan had no valid visa he would be stopped at the airport (while still not contagious) from coming in and spreading the disease to two American citizens (and now a third may have it - the boyfriend of the first nurse). Every week we are getting more flights from West Africa. Soon enough more asymptomatic carriers will land and then develop the disease in our shores. I don't really understand why we should be granting visas or honoring visas already granted to people coming from Liberia, Guinea, and Sierra Leone, while they are ravaged with an infectious disease with a 70% killing rate. Dual citizens or our own citizens coming in from these countries should be admitted and quarantined for 21 days. Foreigners should have their visas cancelled or denied, and sent back, until their countries get the epidemic under control. Denying visas would even prevent indirect travel. If a Liberian flies to Frankfurt and from there boards a flight to the United States, he will only be allowed to do that if he has a valid US visa. So, this simple measure would cut down significantly the odds of more people flying in with the virus in their system but still not sick and contagious (then, developing the symptoms here and putting the US population at risk). Temperature screenings don't stop those. Visa denials do.

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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Too bad you don't show as much concern about the 4,500 soldiers we lost to a LIE last decade in Iraq compared to these 4,500.
    And now you want to lose thousands more in Iraq.

    And when President Ebola closes the borders, you'll blame him for the ensuing economic chaos.
    Did you ever consider this disease might be a plant from Cheney last decade after the Kenyan was elected?

    Every reliable non-partisan hack expert tells us that more problems will ensue by closing the borders than not.
    Continue to play the fear-mongering Nixon card as you have played the war-mongering one.

    Aren't you the least bit suspicious the problem in the USA began in secessionist Texas?
    With a hospital that refused to implement the CDC protocol in July?
    Too much of a coincidence for me knowing the GOP .
    Uh wut??
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    Re: Africa stems ebola via border closings, luck

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Too bad you don't show as much concern about the 4,500 soldiers we lost to a LIE last decade in Iraq compared to these 4,500.
    And now you want to lose thousands more in Iraq.

    And when President Ebola closes the borders, you'll blame him for the ensuing economic chaos.
    Did you ever consider this disease might be a plant from Cheney last decade after the Kenyan was elected?

    Every reliable non-partisan hack expert tells us that more problems will ensue by closing the borders than not.
    Continue to play the fear-mongering Nixon card as you have played the war-mongering one.

    Aren't you the least bit suspicious the problem in the USA began in secessionist Texas?
    With a hospital that refused to implement the CDC protocol in July?
    Too much of a coincidence for me knowing the GOP .
    Do you ever get tired of being a total partisan hack. It is blind partisans like you on both sides that are the reason this country is in such a mess. Always blaming the other side and defending yours at all cost no matter how screwed up they may be is the exact reason why both parties are two sides of the same dis functional coin. It is sad really.

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