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Obama: ‘I Felt Perfectly Safe’ Hugging, Kissing Hospital Workers Who Took Care Of Ebo

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Threegoofs said:
I don't take medical advice from PA's, as a rule. Substandard training, you know. I know because I've taught them.

LOL.

It was a medical professional who was reporting the symptoms. And again, there is no evidence she had any symptoms, or signs, of infection at the time.

This infection is not easily transmissible, period. We had a *symptomatic* individual flying from Africa to the US, and all his plane mates are just fine. This isn't surprising or really lucky. It's kind of what you would expect.
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3G, why should ANYONE take medical advice from a pharmacist? You aren't trained in medicine-you give patients what those of us who DO have that medical background prescribe. No amount of hissing or spitting changes this.

Think for a minute 3G-if this virus is not easily transmissible why is it spreading at an exponential rate overseas? If the disease is well managed, why did one of the nurses involved call the CDC multiple times before being told it was ok to fly, despite a fever?

This isn't really difficult to grasp, I think even you can grasp this but your politics are preventing it-your lack of medical education may be a factor here-but its not the primary one.

Your uptodate subscription is still up, right?
Epidemiology, pathogenesis, and clinical manifestations of Ebola and Marburg virus disease
 
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Manc Skipper said:
BS doesn't always baffle brains. Some understand technical terms. There's google too. Eating beetroot can cause hematochezia-like symptoms, as can a dozen other diseases. if a patient has reached that stage of the illness you misdiagnosed originally.
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If medicine was as simple as google and "understanding technical terms" robots would be doing it. Theres a reason medical training is so exhaustive and after that its STILL difficult and constantly humbling. Your hubris wont help you here.
 
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US Conservative said:
3G, why should ANYONE take medical advice from a pharmacist? You aren't trained in medicine-you give patients what those of us who DO have that medical background prescribe. No amount of hissing or spitting changes this.

Think for a minute 3G-if this virus is not easily transmissible why is it spreading at an exponential rate overseas? If the disease is well managed, why did one of the nurses involved call the CDC multiple times before being told it was ok to fly, despite a fever?

This isn't really difficult to grasp, I think even you can grasp this but your politics are preventing it-your lack of medical education may be a factor here-but its not the primary one.

Your uptodate subscription is still up, right?
Epidemiology, pathogenesis, and clinical manifestations of Ebola and Marburg virus disease
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Actually, some of us pharmacists have pretty advanced training. And I feel fairly comfortable in infectious disease, given the amount of time I spent on a dedicated ID service, and the research work I've done in ID.

The disease is transmissible in Africa, where preparing bodies after death by families is routine, and no precautions are taken in homes with bleeding, vomiting and diarrheal patients exist, and patients barely make it to hospitals and doctors, and when they do they are incredibly inadequate.

In the US, we have had a single case, which transmitted it to two health care workers, who obviously did not use proper precautions for some unknown reason. In Africa, you just aren't seeing many healthcare practitioners (at least not protected ones from the West) coming down with Ebola, despite having contact with dozens of patients.

Right now, we have a disease that is fairly easily containable, is expected to never get to epidemic proportions in the US, and has effected a total of three people, and has not been shown to be transmitted in the US outside of the health care system.

My politics are totally irrelevant to the issue. As I mentioned before, I find it bizarre that politics are even brought up here at all. And even more bizarre that the Conservatives seem to be implying that the government needs to have MORE control and restrict freedom needlessly.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Actually, some of us pharmacists have pretty advanced training. And I feel fairly comfortable in infectious disease, given the amount of time I spent on a dedicated ID service, and the research work I've done in ID.
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Im going to ask you flat out, so as to prevent another evasive answer
-what medical training do you have?
-Where did you learn medicine (clinical or academic)?
-Why should anyone take medical advice from a pharmacist?
 
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US Conservative said:
Im going to ask you flat out, so as to prevent another evasive answer
-what medical training do you have?
-Where did you learn medicine (clinical or academic)?
-Why should anyone take medical advice from a pharmacist?
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Kind of OT. Be happy to answer if you create a thread or something.
 
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US Conservative said:
The answer is that you are not qualified, nor trained to do so. Lets not dance around that.
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In other words, you dont know, dont want to know, and will just make up the stuff you dont know in your head and go with it.

Typical.
 
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US Conservative said:
Im going to ask you flat out, so as to prevent another evasive answer
-what medical training do you have?
-Where did you learn medicine (clinical or academic)?
-Why should anyone take medical advice from a pharmacist?
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Why should anyone take advice from you with yer posting history ?
 
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You should save this post and give it a common-sense rightie who hasn't gone off the Abyss at the Grand Canyon.
Though I'm glad you have it out there for me to read.

I'm well aware that pharmacists are the most important rung on the medical food-chain.
Especially compared to all of our foreign-born med-dispensing doctors getting kickbacks--and I have a real-life Mom who went through that.

That's why I was successful in convincing my Chemistry students to double-Doctorate in Pharmacy and Medicine .

Threegoofs said:
Actually, some of us pharmacists have pretty advanced training. And I feel fairly comfortable in infectious disease, given the amount of time I spent on a dedicated ID service, and the research work I've done in ID.

The disease is transmissible in Africa, where preparing bodies after death by families is routine, and no precautions are taken in homes with bleeding, vomiting and diarrheal patients exist, and patients barely make it to hospitals and doctors, and when they do they are incredibly inadequate.

In the US, we have had a single case, which transmitted it to two health care workers, who obviously did not use proper precautions for some unknown reason. In Africa, you just aren't seeing many healthcare practitioners (at least not protected ones from the West) coming down with Ebola, despite having contact with dozens of patients.

Right now, we have a disease that is fairly easily containable, is expected to never get to epidemic proportions in the US, and has effected a total of three people, and has not been shown to be transmitted in the US outside of the health care system.

My politics are totally irrelevant to the issue. As I mentioned before, I find it bizarre that politics are even brought up here at all. And even more bizarre that the Conservatives seem to be implying that the government needs to have MORE control and restrict freedom needlessly.
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Threegoofs said:
In other words, you dont know, dont want to know, and will just make up the stuff you dont know in your head and go with it.

Typical.
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In other words, you have none, and have rightly decided not to say as much.
 
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NIMBY said:
You should save this post and give it a common-sense rightie who hasn't gone off the Abyss at the Grand Canyon.
Though I'm glad you have it out there for me to read.

I'm well aware that pharmacists are the most important rung on the medical food-chain.
Especially compared to all of our foreign-born med-dispensing doctors getting kickbacks--and I have a real-life Mom who went through that.

That's why I was successful in convincing my Chemistry students to double-Doctorate in Pharmacy and Medicine .
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Its a rung, like any other. Having specialized knowledge in the usage and delivery of medications is pretty useful in todays' medicine. But as a profession, pharmacists are woefully underutilized, and thats mostly because of the power of retail chains and the fear of litigation.

And since we are now officially OT, I can tell you that my training was more extensive than most typical PharmDs, with a two year intensive residency with a special focus on emergency medicine, pharmacokinetics and toxicology (I was on call overnight in house Q 5 days, called by necessity on every overdose, drug level drawn... we did alot of theophylline toxicity in those days, and code, and any other bizarre drug case we had in the hospital). I then went on in a clinical faculty role with teaching and research in a variety of areas - Neuro, Ortho, ID, internal medicine, some oncology. I've taught NPs, PAs, Medical students/residents, dental students and, of course, PharmD students. I moved to industry to work on clinical trials and education over a decade ago, and use my clinical training on a daily basis. That all being said... Pharmacy is a tough profession right now. There is an oversaturation because of a gigantic boom in schools. I advised my kids to avoid it.
 
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j-mac said:
If YOU say so....;)
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I do, as a logical human being.
 
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Your Star said:
Ebola is not contagious until you are symptomatic. They didn't have a fever, they were fine. You'd be fine having sex with them. This is nothing but fear mongering with a touch of partisan hackery added to the recipe.
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Another Leftie who is supremely confident that they are immune to Ebola..... Why?
 
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Your Star said:
Ebola is not contagious until you are symptomatic. They didn't have a fever, they were fine. You'd be fine having sex with them. This is nothing but fear mongering with a touch of partisan hackery added to the recipe.
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Bill clinton would have done it just to prove a point. Obama lacks conviction.

:lamo
 
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Kurmugeon said:
Another Leftie who is supremely confident that they are immune to Ebola..... Why?
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Funny. I just talked to a physician who is expecting to be deployed to Liberia with the Air Force in December.

He has no worries. And he's conservative.

So maybe the better question is : why are Conservatives on this board so uneducated about this disease that they think they are at risk?

I think the answer to that is 'TV news'.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Funny. I just talked to a physician who is expecting to be deployed to Liberia with the Air Force in December.

He has no worries. And he's conservative.

So maybe the better question is : why are Conservatives on this board so uneducated about this disease that they think they are at risk?

I think the answer to that is 'TV news'.
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How you equate ideology with Ebola - truly amazing. Anecdotal (alleged) conversation with a conservative military doctor = cause and effect. Dizzying....
 
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Threegoofs said:
Funny. I just talked to a physician who is expecting to be deployed to Liberia with the Air Force in December.

He has no worries. And he's conservative.

So maybe the better question is : why are Conservatives on this board so uneducated about this disease that they think they are at risk?

I think the answer to that is 'TV news'.
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Maybe you should talk to him again. He might have a different opinion since the Doctor that just came back from treating Ebola patients is now positive in New York City.

I certainly hope your friend has more sense than that Doctor and does not go bowling and out on the town immediately after returning from Liberia.
 
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Ockham said:
How you equate ideology with Ebola - truly amazing. Anecdotal (alleged) conversation with a conservative military doctor = cause and effect. Dizzying....
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Ummm...I was replying to a guy who says 'lefties' think they are immune.

I don't see this as a partisan issue at all. It's a knowledge issue.
 
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Gill said:
Maybe you should talk to him again. He might have a different opinion since the Doctor that just came back from treating Ebola patients is now positive in New York City.

I certainly hope your friend has more sense than that Doctor and does not go bowling and out on the town immediately after returning from Liberia.
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Well, he won't be treating patients. And his opinion won't change because it's not based on anecdotal cases- it's based on understanding.

And as long as he's not vomiting all over the bowling alley, it's pretty much OK.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Well, he won't be treating patients.

And as long as he's not vomiting all over the bowling alley, it's pretty much OK.
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Don't know about vomiting, but most people sweat when they bowl. In either case, the bowling alley has now been closed. I'm sure the owner is thrilled about all the revenue he's lost.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Ummm...I was replying to a guy who says 'lefties' think they are immune.
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Umm.. .don't care.

Threegoofs said:
I don't see this as a partisan issue at all. It's a knowledge issue.
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You're political ignorance is showing.
 
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Aside the given drama any time I hear him kissing people I cringe. Kissed. Only the Nurses.

I just never have and never will understand what on earth is his deal with kissing women. Seriously.
 
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Gill said:
Don't know about vomiting, but most people sweat when they bowl. In either case, the bowling alley has now been closed. I'm sure the owner is thrilled about all the revenue he's lost.
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Sweat- pretty doubtful as a vector of transmission, especially when it's not direct contact.

And it's not gonna happen until the guy gets a fever, which he was monitoring closely.

Sorry that people's hysteria over a nonexistent problem caused the bowling alley to close.
 
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