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    Re: Obama: ‘I Felt Perfectly Safe’ Hugging, Kissing Hospital Workers Who Took Care Of

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Yes, The President is fine kissing and hugging someone who's had Ebola and recovered from it -- why with all the antibodies in such a person, with respect to Ebola, he couldn't kiss a safer person!

    However .. he doesn't want to quarantine those incubating Ebola, waiting for the virus to appear in saliva 24 hours prior to the person experiencing definite symptoms, thus exposing the population at large to that person for a risk of infecting others when the 24 hours right before the person is certain they're experiencing symptoms occurs and they're the most dangerous in spreading the disease.

    So, Mr. President, would you like to go on TV and kiss and hug Nurse Hickox while she may be incubating the virus?

    Would you?

    Hmmm?

    I thought not.

    Hypocrite.

    You'd expose the general population to her in deference to your "don't panic" attempt to keep from spooking Wall Street, but, oh no, you won't dog-and-pony show a kiss and a hug with her!

    And why?

    It's not just because the Secret Service in conjunction with the CDC won't let you ..

    .. It's because you yourself know better than to do something that dangerous.
    According to reports, Obama appeared in his press conference with providers within the 21 day incubation window, so unless you know something I don't, he did exactly what you said he wouldn't....

    Obama: 'Hiding' won't stop Ebola | TheHill

    The president did not address Hickox by name or specifically rebuke Christie or New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D), who has also mandated home isolation for returning healthcare workers. But some of the doctors Obama appeared with were within the 21-day quarantine period mandated by those states, CNN reported.

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    Re: Obama: ‘I Felt Perfectly Safe’ Hugging, Kissing Hospital Workers Who Took Care Of

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    According to reports, Obama appeared in his press conference with providers within the 21 day incubation window, so unless you know something I don't, he did exactly what you said he wouldn't....

    Obama: 'Hiding' won't stop Ebola | TheHill
    He met with them at a distance.

    His dog and pony show of hugging and kissing them did not occur.

    I specifically referenced Obama hugging and kissing a recovered Ebola patient as he made his "don't panic" speech.

    He did not hug and kiss those people during their 21-day (which should be 42 days!) incubation period.

    That's the hypocrisy.

    He had no direct contact with those healthcare people in their incubation period in the article you quoted.

    He did not hug or kiss them.

    In the video, the people standing behind him were not identified as people who had at-risk contact with Ebola sufferers in West Africa -- they were simply backdrop.

    He did not come in direct contact with anyone in their incubation period.

    Yet, he's telling us that we should all take the risk, of having direct contact with someone roaming free when they begin to show symptoms.

    That's hypocrisy.

    While we're at it, he says in his speech you referenced that Americans coming home should not be quarantined.

    Yet, we're quarantining others, West Africans, and even people who've had direct contact with the two nurses from the Dallas hospital who contracted Ebola.

    So what is he saying now -- that those healthcare providers who return from West Africa, they shouldn't be quarantined because "they did a great humanitarian work"???

    Hell, the disease doesn't play favorites.

    That Obama is clearly playing a stupid game of "favoritism" here is very, very scary.

    Obama is the President. He is charged with promoting the general welfare, to provide for the common defense .. this time, regarding a defense against Ebola and promoting the general healthcare welfare of the American people.

    He should thus be erring on the side of caution.

    That he is not being safe rather than sorry is indeed very, very scary, and his "don't panic" mantra combined with his callous careless behavior will most likely lead to panic if he doesn't stop it.
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    Re: Obama: ‘I Felt Perfectly Safe’ Hugging, Kissing Hospital Workers Who Took Care Of

    I see. So a Republican President would wear a protective suit anywhere within a 5 mile radius?


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    Re: Obama: ‘I Felt Perfectly Safe’ Hugging, Kissing Hospital Workers Who Took Care Of

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I see. So a Republican President would wear a protective suit anywhere within a 5 mile radius?
    Meaningless extremist statement.
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    Re: Obama: ‘I Felt Perfectly Safe’ Hugging, Kissing Hospital Workers Who Took Care Of

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    He met with them at a distance.

    His dog and pony show of hugging and kissing them did not occur.

    I specifically referenced Obama hugging and kissing a recovered Ebola patient as he made his "don't panic" speech.
    LOL. Now to satisfy you he's got to hug and KISS a bunch of male doctors? You're kidding I hope.

    Here's the end of the press conference - notice how he's shaking hands with all those standing behind him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYs-0L-ew_Q

    He had no direct contact with those healthcare people in their incubation period in the article you quoted.
    If you have evidence of that, feel free to cite it. Otherwise I'll take the news reports, and there are many, that at least some of those with him were inside the 21 day period.

    That he is not being safe rather than sorry is indeed very, very scary, and his "don't panic" mantra combined with his callous careless behavior will most likely lead to panic if he doesn't stop it.
    It seems like he was sending a direct, 'don't panic' message by meeting with people personally who weren't in quarantine, but were inside the 21 day window. It would seem to reassure, rather than panic, people.

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    Re: Obama: ‘I Felt Perfectly Safe’ Hugging, Kissing Hospital Workers Who Took Care Of

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    LOL. Now to satisfy you he's got to hug and KISS a bunch of male doctors? You're kidding I hope.
    Your statement here is an obvious meaningless ludicrous diversion.

    Obama has simply not appeared kissing and hugging anyone, male or female, who have had high-risk exposure to Ebola.

    My point stands.

    He has kissed and hugged a person who recovered from the disease, effectively saying, "see, nothing to worry about, so there's no need to quarantine anyone during their incubation period".

    That's hypocritical.

    And obviously so.


    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Here's the end of the press conference - notice how he's shaking hands with all those standing behind him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYs-0L-ew_Q
    Notice how none of the people behind him have been identified as people who have had high risk exposure and are in the middle of their 21-day quarantine.

    Behind him, the commentary stated, Obama appeared with healthcare workers "fighting the virus".

    Lab technicians, administrators, maybe even people about to be deployed in conjunction with U.S. military personnel (there was a person in uniform behind him), all can be categorized as people "fighting the virus".

    But nowhere, nowhere, does it specify that the people with whom he shook hands were people who had returned and were in the midst of their 21 (which should be 42-day!) quarantine.

    Those behind him are simply a backdrop.

    His speech itself, was all about bashing strawmen.

    There was nothing relevantly real about his presentation or his speech.

    The person who introduced Obama was Dr. Kent Brantly, one of the people who was infected with Ebola and flown here and cured. He's the safest person in the world for the President to "hug", which, of course, is meaningless.

    This is a dog-and-pony show, nothing more.

    It's meaningless.


    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    If you have evidence of that, feel free to cite it. Otherwise I'll take the news reports, and there are many, that at least some of those with him were inside the 21 day period.
    Reading for comprehension, it is clear that it says that "he met with them".

    It doesn't say how close he got to them.

    There were women in the group.

    It doesn't say he hugged and kissed them as he hypocritically did with the woman who had recovered from the virus, who had been cured.

    It doesn't say those were the people behind him in the video.

    Nowhere does it say the people standing behind him in the video were in their 21-day quarantine.

    Those standing behind him were simply standing there, likely people working here in the states in labs, or those getting ready to go for the first time, via the military effort.

    My point stands as accurate.


    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It seems like he was sending a direct, 'don't panic' message by meeting with people personally who weren't in quarantine, but were inside the 21 day window. It would seem to reassure, rather than panic, people.
    Not in the least.

    He was criticizing in general anyone who .. and then there were several strawman references.

    Criticism does not ease panic.

    Considering that when all the information is considered regarding Ebola, his meeting with people who are not yet symptomatic (and I'm sure they were all thoroughly examined before the Secret Service and the CDC let them into the meeting room) only underscores that the danger isn't while their non-symptomatic.

    Again, he didn't hug or kiss any of them.

    Again, his dog-and-pony show does not address the intelligent real concerns of people being out and about during their 24 hours prior to experiencing definite symptoms.

    Again, nothing here indicated he hugged or kissed anyone.

    Again, nothing here presents for a fact that the people standing behind him, with whom he shook hands, were indeed people who were in the midst of their 21-day incubation period.

    Again, the people behind him were just referenced as "heathcare workers in the fight against Ebola", words to that effect. If they had been those returning from West Africa in the midst of their 21-day incubation period the press report, the news media, and even the President himself would most certainly have specifically said so. But, they simply weren't.

    This is a very dishonest presentation by the President. He's clearly wanting people to imagine he's shaking hands with such 21-day incubation people .. when he simply was not.

    That's dishonest.

    People see through the veil, and that causes them to be suspicious, and that increases their fear, and if their fear is increased enough, that can lead to panic.

    The President would do well simply to drop the "don't panic" line theatrics, laced with false allusions, and simply say how important it is that we not spook Wall Street.

    People would get that.

    They'd still be concerned about Ebola until the flight restrictions and quarantines are enforced, however, and understandably so.

    Indeed, though, if it does come out he was having close physical contact with high-risk people during their 21/42-day incubation period, that kind of terrible judgement would indeed cause people to panic that our leader isn't very smart.

    Still, if he's going to make a non-hypocritical statement that we "shouldn't be afraid of people during their 21/42-day incubation period", his next flight should be to Maine, where he hugs and kisses Nurse Hickox, who is known by everyone to have had high-risk exposure to Ebola.

    Then that would remove all doubt about Obama .. either way.
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    Re: Obama: ‘I Felt Perfectly Safe’ Hugging, Kissing Hospital Workers Who Took Care Of

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Meaningless extremist statement.
    Not so fast. There are many who believe this sort of thing.

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    Re: Obama: ‘I Felt Perfectly Safe’ Hugging, Kissing Hospital Workers Who Took Care Of

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Meaningless extremist statement.
    Wasn't that what the OP was trying to say?


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    Re: Obama: ‘I Felt Perfectly Safe’ Hugging, Kissing Hospital Workers Who Took Care Of

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Wasn't that what the OP was trying to say?
    I have no idea what you're referring to here.

    In the OP there was a link, and the link presented that Obama visited Emory and he hugged and kissed two of the nurses there who had cared for an Ebola patient at Emory, not in West Africa.

    This is huge, huge, huge!

    We already know that, if you wear the proper Ebola protective gear in an American hospital caring for an Ebola patient who was flown in and was already in protective isolation, hundreds of heathcare workers already having done so, the chances evidenced so far that you're in danger of catching the disease is zero.

    That's the hypocritical part.

    Those two nurses he hugged and kissed at Emory, they were never high-risk!

    But, the doctors and nurses returning from West Africa, all of them that have had intimate contact with patients, are high-risk, as Dr. Spencer of Harlem has evidenced.

    Why?

    Two reasons: 1) West Africa simply does not have even close to the safe facilities for healthcare workers we have in our specialization hospitals like Emory, and 2) there's hardly any proper Ebola protective gear available now in West Africa for volunteers to keep them safe like the doctors and nurses at Emory have, which is why Dr. Spencer of Harlem came down with Ebola after he returned here from West Africa and was roaming around free in the populace.

    The great majority of Americans want these high-risk people returning from West Africa to undergo a 21-day (rightly, a 42-day quarantine, WHO now says, if you want to be 100 percent certain they don't have the virus!) quarantine.

    The great majority of Americans do not want high-risk people roaming free in the populace, and understandably so.

    They want them in quarantine until that time is up and they have remained virus-free.

    Conflicting health reports about the transmission of the virus has got people concerned. Even if a person isn't contagious from casual contact until they are experiencing definite symptoms, the great concern is that a person incubating the disease will have direct contact with someone during the 24-hour period prior to experiencing definite symptoms when it has been reported that the virus could be in saliva thus making the person a danger to others and not even know it.

    The great majority of people do not want someone out and about when the symptoms hit them like a ton of bricks, as it has done, and they then simply walk in to a hospital!

    No, the great majority of Americans simply do not want these unnecessary risks with high-risk people.

    They want these high-risk people quarantined, so that when they do experience definite symptoms, a HAZ-MAT team can come get them and safely take them to a hospital under protection from the get-go and then every healthcare worker will be safe, without high-risk.

    That's the right thing to do.
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    Re: Obama: ‘I Felt Perfectly Safe’ Hugging, Kissing Hospital Workers Who Took Care Of

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Obama has simply not appeared kissing and hugging anyone, male or female, who have had high-risk exposure to Ebola.

    My point stands.
    A 'hugging and kissing" standard is ridiculous, and it's hard to believe you're sticking with that. Second, the article was clear:

    The president did not address Hickox by name or specifically rebuke Christie or New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D), who has also mandated home isolation for returning healthcare workers. But some of the doctors Obama appeared with were within the 21-day quarantine period mandated by those states, CNN reported.
    Could be CNN is lying or repeating lies or half truths by the WH, but what CNN reported is very clear. Tweets say the same thing.

    Indeed, though, if it does come out he was having close physical contact with high-risk people during their 21/42-day incubation period, that kind of terrible judgement would indeed cause people to panic that our leader isn't very smart.
    Either he's not smart, or trusts the best experts in the world on Ebola and the risks of it spreading from people without symptoms, which is zero.

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