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    Re: Obama administration ignored the CDCís advice to prevent an Ebola outbreak

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    After something like this there's alot of Shoulda, Woulda, Couldas, agencies approach you with all sorts of recommendations and requests and you gotta prioritize those and weigh it against the money involved and risk.

    This is not a disease that had ever struck West Africa before and nobody could have predicted an outbreak like this, at no point in modern history has a Level 4 pathogen infected so many people so quickly across such a large geographical area, its simply unprecedented.
    Kind of like Katrina.

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    Re: Obama administration ignored the CDCís advice to prevent an Ebola outbreak

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    Pandemic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The "Hong Kong Flu", 1968–69. An H3N2 caused about 34,000 deaths in the United States. This virus was first detected in Hong Kong in early 1968, and spread to the United States later that year. This pandemic of 1968 and 1969 killed approximately one million people worldwide[citation needed]. Influenza A (H3N2) viruses still circulate today.

    During the 20th century, it is estimated that smallpox was responsible for 300–500 million deaths

    During the 20th century, tuberculosis killed approximately 100 million people.[
    There is also the flu epidemic in the US in the early 20's and the polio epidemic in the 40's. Jet's claim that epidemics are unprecedented is false.

    Government generally reactive, not proactive. It's impossible to anticipate all future problems, but once problem is identified, swift action is needed. I haven't seen that happening here, or in the enterovirus situation, which has caused more deaths than ebola. In the case of ebola, the focus has been assuring the public there is no problem rather than fixing the problem. We were told that the virus could not leave Africa and arrive in the US. When it did, we were told that it could be contained in the safe medical center centers. When medical personnell were infected, we were told that these were isolated cases and no one else could possibly be infected. Now like it or not, there are several thousand potentially infected people running around. Patients are being moved from those safe medical centers to other presumably safer medical centers. IMO any move potentially infects others.

    And still the planes are flying. No effort has been made to limit travel to and from infected areas. The kids that are coming from southern countries are not only being allowed to continue coming, and in fact are being transported all over the US. Those southern borders are just as likely to allow ebola as to allow entirovirus.

    As of now, the focus is on CYA rather than FIX. IMO, that has to stop.

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    Re: Obama administration ignored the CDCís advice to prevent an Ebola outbreak

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    There is also the flu epidemic in the US in the early 20's and the polio epidemic in the 40's. Jet's claim that epidemics are unprecedented is false.

    Government generally reactive, not proactive. It's impossible to anticipate all future problems, but once problem is identified, swift action is needed. I haven't seen that happening here, or in the enterovirus situation, which has caused more deaths than ebola. In the case of ebola, the focus has been assuring the public there is no problem rather than fixing the problem. We were told that the virus could not leave Africa and arrive in the US. When it did, we were told that it could be contained in the safe medical center centers. When medical personnell were infected, we were told that these were isolated cases and no one else could possibly be infected. Now like it or not, there are several thousand potentially infected people running around. Patients are being moved from those safe medical centers to other presumably safer medical centers. IMO any move potentially infects others.

    And still the planes are flying. No effort has been made to limit travel to and from infected areas. The kids that are coming from southern countries are not only being allowed to continue coming, and in fact are being transported all over the US. Those southern borders are just as likely to allow ebola as to allow entirovirus.

    As of now, the focus is on CYA rather than FIX. IMO, that has to stop.
    Quarantine is not straight foward. This is a paper on the subject.

    Quarantine remains an important part of the strategy for containing infectious diseases, especially when there is no vaccine or effective treatment. Recent experiences with SARS and Ebola indicate that large-scale quarantine is fraught with ethical challenges. In the United States, legislation authorizing quarantine has been enacted in every state, and these laws have been upheld by the Supreme Court. The following ethical principles should guide public health officials in deciding whether and how to impose a quarantine: (1) necessity, effectiveness, and scientific rationale; (2) proportionality and least infringement; (3) humane supportive services; and (4) public justification.
    From SARS to Ebola: Legal and Ethical Considerations for Modern Quarantine by Mark A. Rothstein :: SSRN
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    Re: Obama administration ignored the CDCís advice to prevent an Ebola outbreak

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    There is also the flu epidemic in the US in the early 20's and the polio epidemic in the 40's. Jet's claim that epidemics are unprecedented is false.

    Government generally reactive, not proactive. It's impossible to anticipate all future problems, but once problem is identified, swift action is needed. I haven't seen that happening here, or in the enterovirus situation, which has caused more deaths than ebola. In the case of ebola, the focus has been assuring the public there is no problem rather than fixing the problem. We were told that the virus could not leave Africa and arrive in the US. When it did, we were told that it could be contained in the safe medical center centers. When medical personnell were infected, we were told that these were isolated cases and no one else could possibly be infected. Now like it or not, there are several thousand potentially infected people running around. Patients are being moved from those safe medical centers to other presumably safer medical centers. IMO any move potentially infects others.

    And still the planes are flying. No effort has been made to limit travel to and from infected areas. The kids that are coming from southern countries are not only being allowed to continue coming, and in fact are being transported all over the US. Those southern borders are just as likely to allow ebola as to allow entirovirus.

    As of now, the focus is on CYA rather than FIX. IMO, that has to stop.
    Perhaps the greatest challenge of all isn't the lack of protocols, isn't the lack of foresight, and isn't the lack of a viable plan. The greatest challenge of all is the attitude of the people at the basic levels who are entrusted with carrying out what ever plans are finally arrived at.

    For example, how is it possible for someone answering the phone at the CDC to tell the nurse planning to travel on an airplane, who had contact with an Ebola patient, and has a low grade fever, to tell the nurse it's ok to go ahead and board the plane? This is the ultimate, fair or unfair, in cubicle mentality. I doubt this will ever change.

    When someone suggests they know what they are doing, but then claims mistakes keep being made, it's obvious they don't know what they are doing. To claim otherwise ignores the fact all the mistakes are being made.

    Shut down travel from these infected nations.

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    Re: Obama administration ignored the CDCís advice to prevent an Ebola outbreak

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Perhaps the greatest challenge of all, isn't the lack of protocols, isn't the lack of foresight, and isn't the lack of a viable plan. The greatest challenge is the attitude of the people at the basic levels who are entrusted with carrying out what ever plans are finally arrived at.

    For example, how is it possible for someone answering the phone at the CDC to tell the nurse planning to travel on an airplane, who had contact with an Ebola patient, and has a low grade fever, to tell the nurse it's ok to go ahead and board the plane? This is the ultimate, fair or unfair, in cubicle mentality. I doubt this will ever change.

    When someone suggests they know what they are doing, but then claims mistakes keep being made, it's obvious they don't know what they are doing. To claim otherwise ignores the fact all the mistakes are being made.

    Shut down travel from these infected nations.
    The economic consequences of shuting down the ability of the west African to conduct trade and travel would cause more harm then good.
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    Re: Obama administration ignored the CDCís advice to prevent an Ebola outbreak

    Saying that the only people reporting this are the Washington Times, and Prison Planet/Infowars, I think I'll wait a little bit before I comment.


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    Re: Obama administration ignored the CDCís advice to prevent an Ebola outbreak

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I'm not going to download 4 pages of PDF files, but from the abstract, that is not a paper, that is an opinion. One with which I disagree. I'm not that concerned with the ethical considerations. I'm concerned about the safety of the American people.
    As for legal, we all know the President still has his pen and his phone. It's time to use them.

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    Re: Obama administration ignored the CDCís advice to prevent an Ebola outbreak

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The economic consequences of shuting down the ability of the west African to conduct trade and travel would cause more harm then good.
    Not only that, it would be racist!

    Quarantined areas are no longer acceptable in today's Liberals world it seems, and we should just continue to mix and mingle in order to generate better economies. Yet, oddly, my understanding was that capitalists were the greedy ones who took these sorts of risks, not the liberals.

    Anyway, Jesse Jackson understands the real problem and was able to pin it down before Al Sharpton got a chance. Rev. Jesse Jackson accuses Hospital of racism over Ebola death | eCanadaNow

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    Re: Obama administration ignored the CDCís advice to prevent an Ebola outbreak

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    I'm not going to download 4 pages of PDF files, but from the abstract, that is not a paper, that is an opinion. One with which I disagree. I'm not that concerned with the ethical considerations. I'm concerned about the safety of the American people.
    As for legal, we all know the President still has his pen and his phone. It's time to use them.
    Traval restrictions only give the illusion of security, one that only delays the inevitable by 4 or 5 weeks.

    The best thing to do is to fight the disease at its source and effectivly track patients who are exhibiting symptoms of the disease.
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    Re: Obama administration ignored the CDCís advice to prevent an Ebola outbreak

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Traval restrictions only give the illusion of security, one that only delays the inevitable by 4 or 5 weeks.

    The best thing to do is to fight the disease at its source and effectivly track patients who are exhibiting symptoms of the disease.
    How do you do that with a 21 day incubation period ?

    So you're all for letting people fly in who have the disease but are not exhibiting symptoms ?

    The current process they're using wouldn't have stopped Duncan.

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