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Obama administration ignored the CDC’s advice to prevent an Ebola outbreak

MMC said:
Bumping up your thread USC.
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The White House refused to consider the alternative, a travel ban from countries that had Ebola outbreaks. Josh Earnest told the press on October 1, after Duncan was diagnosed with the infection in Dallas, that the administration would not consider a temporary travel ban, and that the US could prevent a “wide spread of Ebola.” Earnest also promised that the Centers for Disease Control would “protect the broader American public by rigorously applying the kind of medical protocols” recommended by the CDC when the disease did appear. “These are the experts,” Earnest insisted.

Even at that stage, no one communicated the proper protocols to the hospital staff, according to a union representative for the nurses. There were “no protocols” given to the nurses by the CDC or anyone else; they had to make up protocols as they went along, with toxic medical waste piling up to the ceiling. For the first two days, they didn’t even have the proper hazmat suits needed for infectious-disease protection while caring for Duncan. Under those circumstances, the infection of two members of Duncan’s care team should not surprise anyone. The first young nurse self-identified the infection and got herself into isolation over the weekend. The CDC confirmed it as an Ebola case on Sunday morning. By that time, the CDC had been monitoring dozens of people who had come into contact with Duncan as potential cases for contagion, and yet somehow one nurse had flown to Cleveland from Dallas on Friday.

It doesn’t take “experts” to realize that high-risk potential cases of Ebola shouldn’t board flights or use any other kind of public transportation, especially after a containment breach has been verified. Only after this information came out did CDC director Thomas Frieden announce that no other people being monitored would be allowed to board commercial aircraft. The experts never considered that an issue, apparently. Even after that, the CDC asked people on the flight to contact them, rather than getting the passenger manifest from the airline and tracking down the passengers themselves. These are people who may have been exposed and who could carry the infections further over the next several weeks.....snip~

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/contain-ebola-obama-must-impose-094500403.html



Due to all this.....BO says he wants a CDC Swat Team for Immediate response and hopefully less than 24 hrs. Frieden even admitted the CDC should have sent a Team once they knew Duncan was infected. Bo would not have to be saying this.....if Freiden had been handling this situation correctly with protocols.

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Its like amateur hour everywhere this President puts his nose. How is Freiden still working for the CDC?
 
1750Texan said:
By what authority would Obama have to establish a CDC Infectious hospital in another country? Who would run it? Staff it? Fund it? Write regulations for it?

Sometime logic goes right out f-n the door in a "crisis".
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By the same logic the other response centers have been established, as well as our troops recently sent there-humanitarian and health concerns.

They generally are not opposed when established, and if they weren't all over Africa, things like HIV would be even worse there today.

Logic, never had a thing to do with this Presidency.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
The economic consequences of shuting down the ability of the west African to conduct trade and travel would cause more harm then good.
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You go on playing that platitude all you want. Meanwhile, the rest of us here in reality will keep trying to push common sense measures to keep Ebola out of the United States.
 
MMC said:
Heya Apdst. :2wave: What I was wondering about is......why would they send the 101st? I can see Combat engineers and Army Corp and Medics.....but not an Elite Fighting Unit.
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Imagine taking the opportunity to actively mitigate the disease and kill Boko Haram at the same time.

Alas, we have a chump in the white house and we know know chumps do.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Traval restrictions only give the illusion of security, one that only delays the inevitable by 4 or 5 weeks.
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The only illusion is the one where people think Obama and his hack at the CDC will keep us safe.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
The economic consequences of shuting down the ability of the west African to conduct trade and travel would cause more harm then good.
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I dont care about their economy, I care about the health of US citizens. Only AFTER that, do I care about their health and economies in the outbreak region.

You dont play around with a pandemic virus with a 50-90% mortality PERIOD.
 
Grant said:
Not only that, it would be racist!

Quarantined areas are no longer acceptable in today's Liberals world it seems, and we should just continue to mix and mingle in order to generate better economies. Yet, oddly, my understanding was that capitalists were the greedy ones who took these sorts of risks, not the liberals.

Anyway, Jesse Jackson understands the real problem and was able to pin it down before Al Sharpton got a chance. Rev. Jesse Jackson accuses Hospital of racism over Ebola death | eCanadaNow
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One of the reasons I got into medicine was because its not PC.
When you attempt to make science PC, you are turning it on its head-spin over fact. Ideology over reality.

Not good enough-this is how it turns out-these idiots in washington cant even act because of their idiotic PC mindset.
 
US Conservative said:
Its like amateur hour everywhere this President puts his nose. How is Freiden still working for the CDC?
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I don't know but by middle of next week we should have an idea. He got drilled today in front of a House Committee.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Traval restrictions only give the illusion of security, one that only delays the inevitable by 4 or 5 weeks.

The best thing to do is to fight the disease at its source and effectivly track patients who are exhibiting symptoms of the disease.
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Nobody is saying close travel and then relax. Its simply another means to prevent spread of disease-which is a tenet of infectious medicine.

Do you know what the purpose of Ellis Island was?
 
Fenton said:
How do you do that with a 21 day incubation period ?

So you're all for letting people fly in who have the disease but are not exhibiting symptoms ?

The current process they're using wouldn't have stopped Duncan.
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This is one of the fundamental misunderstandings people have of disease-they think merely asking about symptoms or looking for signs will prevent this. Fevers wax and wane. People dont notice or dont say that they have fever symptoms, etc.-therefore its NOT reliable to screen this way.

Add in lack of training and operator error in the screens they have used (inaccurate thermometer readings, etc) and its setting themselves up for failure.
 
US Conservative said:
Imagine taking the opportunity to actively mitigate the disease and kill Boko Haram at the same time.

Alas, we have a chump in the white house and we know know chumps do.
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Wasn't there a doctor saying a simple blood test would tell if someone is infected.....that the body would be producing antibodies to something not seen?
 
jimbo said:
In that delay period we might just come up with an effective method to cure or control the disease in the US. We do have promising cures. Apparently the supply is limited and the pre marketing studies have not been completed. It's time to implement some emergency measures.

Controlling the disease in Africa? Do you have any idea what you are asking? This is an area of the world where people wipe their butts with their hands then proceed to cook dinner. There are over 3000 deaths, and lord knows how many illnesses. Few are quarantined, and so contact are in the millions. Good luck
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Plus its ass backward. Many there think Ebola was spread there from the US and distrust our presence. They think Ebola is a curse-literally. They attack and shun survivors of the disease, they wash bodies and then wash themselves with the same water-all of this instead of burying the bodies. In some cases, they have attacked healthcare workers.

THAT is what we are dealing with.
 
jimbo said:
I tend to agree. I don't know of any President that would have done anything any different. Government is always reactive. Even the Founding Fathers didn't start the country until the British implemented a tax on tea.

Other than blaming somebody else, the question should be what do we do now?
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That has been constantly discussed in this thread. Start by CLOSING travel from those regions.
 
Fenton said:
The CDC just issued a "Ebola Alert " for New York.

Supposedly there are CARRIERS that are expected to travel into New York City.

How is that possible ? They're STILL allowing people to travel in from Ebola ravaged Nations and now they're issuing "warnings" ??
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If the President now restricts travel-his incompetence is exposed-so he wont do it.

NYC is always an infectious disease portal due to the large number of travelers from the world. Ebola Nigeria by spreading into its largest city, which has a population density comparable to NYC. Suffice to say its a HORRIBLE place for a pandemic to go, as it could rapidly spread.
 
MMC said:
Wasn't there a doctor saying a simple blood test would tell if someone is infected.....that the body would be producing antibodies to something not seen?
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Yes, thats true. The problem is that blood tests take time and the tests themselves require equipment, and this is africa.
 
US Conservative said:
That has been constantly discussed in this thread. Start by CLOSING travel from those regions.
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I was responding to Zylphin's post concerning what Barry did or didn't in 2008 after the alert.

No way, no how do I think not closing the borders after the outbreak was a good idea.

There is another concern that I have not seen mentioned. Liberia and other affected countries have no medical facilities. Is it not reasonable to assume that those in those countries that are infected and have the means will not fly to the US to get treatment?
 
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