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SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

I agree. Some degree of risk will always exist for the reason you cited. The extent of risk society is willing to tolerate is a policy choice. Resource allocation that gives greater weight to ensuring an inventory of certain equipment and training for critical personnel can mitigate the risk, even if one is dealing strictly with a reallocation of existing resources.

If everyone understood this, the country would be in a better place. The GOP accuses Obama of rationing healthcare. As if Healthcare was previously an infinite resource. I think as a society, too many people have simply stopped thinking, stopped researching and are just parroting the talking heads on the mainstream news. The issue with resource allocation is that you'll get those being relocated from upset and given that it's more likely they're the ones with the regular occurring need, it's going to be much louder. We could have a country wide 100% capability to stop hantavirus. We don't. Because it's fairly rare to get that. The resources to do that would draw away from stuff like chemo, pediatrics, and disease research. It bothers me that people don't seem to understand that we simply cannot be prepared for everything because we don't have the resources to do so. But I suppose more people these days care about scoring political points than being adults.

I don't believe it is feasible to expect every hospital to have such a capacity. Having at least one hospital with such capacities in defined regions is more practical. The U.S. needs a coherent response strategy for such a scenario. That does not mean that every medical facility would play leading roles. One might envision a scenario where, in the case of a pandemic, certain medical facilities would take on patients with routine health issues to free up space at designated critical care institutions assigned the leading role for combating a pandemic.

I was actually referring to total hospital capacity in an average city. Just the number of bed available for patients is just not enough in the event of something like a major train wreck, huge gas explosion or tsunami. Thousands of people could be injured and we simply don't have the available beds for them. It's not even the notion of specialist hospitals. The basic measure of patient capacity simply isn't there. If 20,000 people got sick in Seattle, can the Seattle and greater Seattle hospitals take them on with their regular patient loads? Not a chance, I doubt they could even handle 5,000 extra patients needing a bed in one day. I know my city is basically screwed in the event of a serious major disaster where thousands are injured. Excess bed capacity is measured in the low hundreds, if that. And there's a reason for that. Maintaining that level of patient care for patients who aren't there 99.99% of the time is financially stupid. So by keeping our existing hospitals financially secure, aka lean, we are ensuring that we do not have the spare patient capacity that we'll need in the event of a disaster or pandemic. I don't see a good alternative to this as the cost to maintain lots of empty medical capacity would be horridly expensive, but at the same time I think it's flat out ridiculous to throw partisan blame at each other over this.

Overall, the early experience with Ebola in the U.S. has exposed some gaps. Remedying some of those gaps does not really require significant new resources. For example, the CDC's communications have been somewhat sloppy. An emphasis on sticking only to the facts, refraining from making sweeping or overconfident statements for which there isn't sufficiently strong evidence to sustain them, etc., could have avoided many of those early communications-related issues. The CDC can ill afford to the lose the public's confidence concerning a virus that quite frankly the U.S. public poorly understands. Already, at least some media outlets seem to be treating what is still an extremely limited incidence of Ebola in the U.S. as a sort of emergent and inevitable epidemic. Such coverage has dissected the CDC's early statements and seems to have created excessive anxiety.

I don't disagree with this, but it does look like hospitals themselves need to practice overly cautious protocols and they needed to do so early on.
 
Does anybody here have a list of countries and airlines that have banned travel from West Africa? I'm particularly interested in learning if Singapore has banned such flights.
 
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We are a self governing people. I'm not happy with our system outright and think we can do much better... but we are still self governing. What you just said above is EXACTLY what should exclude you and anyone who thinks like you from ever governing at all. Because you just blatantly stated that you think self governing is evil.

We have not been self governing for about one hundred years. It is people who understand that governments are necessary evils that should be governing. I will never enslave you. But you would enslave me and you would believe you were doing me a favor. You will experience the beginning of wisdom should you ever understand this simple concept.
 
It would be silly to not admit that you are inconsistent with your koolaid on the matter
Maybe. maybe not. It is irrelevant now that exposure is now US wide. Thank you liberals. You could not close the border before. Now you won't need to. If there is to be a harvest of deaths let us hope it comes foremost to liberals.
 
From what I know, our government doesn't run that hospital in Dallas or employ the nurse that got infected. So no matter how hard you bend facts, your ideology of government hate can't cover this.
The One on the golf course let Duncan, and thousands of others in. He, and you, are to blame.
 
Maybe. maybe not. It is irrelevant now that exposure is now US wide. Thank you liberals. You could not close the border before. Now you won't need to. If there is to be a harvest of deaths let us hope it comes foremost to liberals.

How can you blame liberals? I blame Texas! Another one of those nurses is out on a cruise ship now! When it comes to conservatives, it seems Texas is a whole other set of rules.
 
We have not been self governing for about one hundred years. It is people who understand that governments are necessary evils that should be governing. I will never enslave you. But you would enslave me and you would believe you were doing me a favor. You will experience the beginning of wisdom should you ever understand this simple concept.

The flaw in your ideology is that pranoia is not wisdom. The problem with you overly paranoid folk is that you always believe your tin foil hat theories are the light that only you can see.

Besides, if you actually believed this crap you are saying about us not self governing I seriously doubt you'd be inhabiting political forums much. So go ahead and put on your tough boy pants and keep preaching the gospil of despair and how you are the light to save us all from it. I'll stay here in reality land.
 
EBOLA IS NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL.

It's no big deal to you maybe, but i bet that airliner and all of the passengers who were on that particular plane since that nurse was on it think it's a big deal.

Better yet...why don't you ask Duncan's family if they think it's a big deal.
 
Some good news on the Ebola front. From the World Health Organization (WHO):

WHO officially declares the Ebola outbreak in Senegal over and commends the country on its diligence to end the transmission of the virus.

The introduced case was confirmed on 29 August in a young man who had travelled to Dakar, by road, from Guinea, where he had had direct contact with an Ebola patient.


WHO | WHO congratulates Senegal on ending Ebola transmission
 
Wouldn't it be ironic if Mexico closed the border to us?

After it took back all of its Mexican Nationals first, of-course.

Its the only positive thing I can attribute to Ebola in Obama's America.

Mass-reintegration back into Mexico.
 
Seems Ebola has hit the heart of conservatism in America, so how about some consistency. Suspending travel in and out of Texas would be consistent with conservatice demands.

Two things.

Dallas county is solidly democrat. Blue as little bo peeps bonnet.

Secondly, you are comparing to situations which are very different. 3 cases of Ebola, and a situation where it seems to be under control, compared to 10,000 cases raging out of control.

As a citizen of TX, and a resident of Dallas (I live less than a mile from Nina Pham's apartment) I would endorse a travel ban on Texas when we see a tenth the cases in west Africa. But not 3.

You are just trying to create some absurd false equivalency to stick it to conservatives. There is nothing LIKE equivalency yet.

On another subject. You know whats ironic? The Texas ebola cases may be the best thing ever to happen to Africa... It got the attention of the most powerful drug industry in the world.
 
How can you blame liberals? I blame Texas! Another one of those nurses is out on a cruise ship now! When it comes to conservatives, it seems Texas is a whole other set of rules.
Who allowed Duncan to come into the country?

It was the One on the golf course and his toadies. Are they not Progressives, national socialists, international socialists, fascists, liberals, Marxists, or, if you choose statists?

No Duncan. No Ebola.
 
The flaw in your ideology is that pranoia is not wisdom. The problem with you overly paranoid folk is that you always believe your tin foil hat theories are the light that only you can see.
Should you become wise you will see how wrong you are. Until then, I do not believe it is possible to pierce your darkness.

Besides, if you actually believed this crap you are saying about us not self governing I seriously doubt you'd be inhabiting political forums much. So go ahead and put on your tough boy pants and keep preaching the gospil of despair and how you are the light to save us all from it. I'll stay here in reality land.
I am preparing for other eventualities.

I believe you will be one of the ones who will never wake up. You will never be one of the ones who wonder what happened.
 
"The One on the golf course let Duncan, and thousands of others in. He, and you, are to blame."
More inane paranoia.
Did not The One on the golf course let Duncan in by refusing to secure the border? Aren't there roughly 150 new potential Duncans arriving every day?

When did Duncan arrive? September 20th?
How many days have passed from that day until this? For simplicity shall we round the number to 30 days?

30x150=4500. Does 4500 roughly mean thousands?

Do you disagree with The One on the golf course? Of course not. You and he are wannabe killers. Aren't you?
 
Nohhhh; conservative thinking. Shoe's on the other foot now. So - will there be consistency? Or was that all just blather because it was another country?

Who knows how many people in Cleveland came in contact with the second nurse while she was there... If a travel restriction had been in place that wouldn't be a concern now would it.

I wonder about that too. They want to question everyone on the planes she was on but what about the terminal and terminal bathrooms? What if someone came in an sat on the same stool she did and had breaks in skin on their buttocks?
 
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It is apparently much easier than the CDC was telling us initially. If two nurses are positive, and being that nurses know how to avoid intimate contact with infectious bodily fluids, this leads me to believe it's easier than we were told. We were being told that contact precautions were the proper isolation technique when it was first learned that ebola was here in the states. That was apparently bull****. The CDC people who are dealing with it look like they are in hazmat suits, not hospital contact precaution garb.

I saw a piece that said their necks and part of their faces were exposed. Didn't have the right garmits. All it would take is a cough in the right direction. I'd say sneeze but I'm not aware of anyone sneezing with Ebola.
 
Ebola isn't the only case of a left wing administration failing to protect the American people from disease. Enterovirus D68 has killed dozens of American children and Obama remains silent about why this is happening now. Many experts feel that D68 is a result of the border children who surged across the border this year, and in fact the virus is heavily found in Honduras and Guatamala.

D68 has killed American children and left others permanently paralyzed... it's clear that the left will do nothing to EVER protect the American people, including small children, from the threat of foreign illnesses.

As always you tell everything but the truth. The enterorvirus above has not killed dozens of American children. Last I read it was two children. Two children too many but not dozens.
 
Does Obamacare cover something like this? It's got to be very expensive.....

Unless it gets totally out of hand they HAVE TO isolate and treat you for obvious reasons. And they can't force you to pay so...

OTOH if the bodies pile up too fast the crematoriums will be busy and there will be no rush to treat anyone.
 
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The denial (of truth) is very strong in this one. Yes.

Why yes it is. On your part.

Can you logically deny if our troops has not been in Iraq that would not have been exposed to remnants of harmful chemicals?

Did we ever find any hardcore WMD's?
 
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