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SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

Yes... and the nurses failed to follow the guidelines.

The CDC is also investigating the “breach of protocol” that Frieden says must have taken place for the infection to spread through the nurses’ protective gear. Both nurses are being moved from Texas Health Presbyterian—one to Emory University Hospital in Atlanta, Georgia and the other to an NIH isolation unit in Bethesda, Maryland. The two hospitals are among four in the country that have special biocontainment units for infectious diseases.

linkypooo...

Stop panicking.

Not panicking. But should this spread, and with such few facilities properly equipped to handle this type of disease, should it spread, it does justifiably raise concerns.

When dealing with a viral outbreak, whether it be chickenpox, measles, the flu or any other virus outbreak, the proper containment of the outbreak is the only reasonable and responsible course of action.

When you were a child and contracted chickenpox, did your mother send you back to school to infect all the other kids?

No, you stayed home until you were no longer contagious. Same thing here with Ebola except that it's far more people from a particular region of Africa.

So yes, the US should put a ban on all visas for travelers from those regions of Africa. Or perhaps a mandatory 3 week quarantine at the source. Why keep importing Ebola? Or at least why keep importing people with a high risk of being infected with Ebola?

Some are saying that the entire state of Texas needs to be quarantined now. That is ridiculous. 2 isolated cases from a known contact source does not an outbreak make. 10, 20 or 30 or more, most definitely an outbreak, especially if it can't be traced back to a contact source. Talk about walking around in a mine field.

Now if there is a larger outbreak in Texas in the next three weeks, if the fellow travelers on the second nurse's airliner generate outbreaks to wherever they've gone to, then it's going to get really serious really fast. Marshall law serious. Forced quarantine of entire areas serious.

But, thankfully, that spread and that outbreak has not happened yet. There's a chance that it might. We'll have to see.

You can read all about it: The Hot Zone: The Terrifying True Story of the Origins of the Ebola Virus: Richard Preston: 8601401254928: Amazon.com: Books
 
Yes.. we are.
No. We are not the government. You might be a government worker. You might be one of the millions of busybody bureaucrats living off the productive. But we are not. The government is evil. It is a necessary evil, nothing more. It must be tightly leashed and periodically chastened. Or it becomes the master and we become its slaves.

Pawns of our own creation. We get the government we deserve. Don't like it? Change it. At least you have the power to in our self governing country unlike many others.
It is very likely that you enjoy being a pawn. There remains just one more opportunity short of revolution to restore the nation. We have the Article V convention of states to reverse the tyranny. If we fail then we have slavery or rebellion in our future.
 
No. We are not the government. You might be a government worker. You might be one of the millions of busybody bureaucrats living off the productive. But we are not. The government is evil. It is a necessary evil, nothing more. It must be tightly leashed and periodically chastened. Or it becomes the master and we become its slaves.


It is very likely that you enjoy being a pawn. There remains just one more opportunity short of revolution to restore the nation. We have the Article V convention of states to reverse the tyranny. If we fail then we have slavery or rebellion in our future.

Well said, and 100% accurate. Thanks for that.
 
Not panicking. But should this spread, and with such few facilities properly equipped to handle this type of disease, should it spread, it does justifiably raise concerns.

When dealing with a viral outbreak, whether it be chickenpox, measles, the flu or any other virus outbreak, the proper containment of the outbreak is the only reasonable and responsible course of action.

When you were a child and contracted chickenpox, did your mother send you back to school to infect all the other kids?

No, you stayed home until you were no longer contagious. Same thing here with Ebola except that it's far more people from a particular region of Africa.

So yes, the US should put a ban on all visas for travelers from those regions of Africa. Or perhaps a mandatory 3 week quarantine at the source. Why keep importing Ebola? Or at least why keep importing people with a high risk of being infected with Ebola?

Some are saying that the entire state of Texas needs to be quarantined now. That is ridiculous. 2 isolated cases from a known contact source does not an outbreak make. 10, 20 or 30 or more, most definitely an outbreak, especially if it can't be traced back to a contact source. Talk about walking around in a mine field.

Now if there is a larger outbreak in Texas in the next three weeks, if the fellow travelers on the second nurse's airliner generate outbreaks to wherever they've gone to, then it's going to get really serious really fast. Marshall law serious. Forced quarantine of entire areas serious.

But, thankfully, that spread and that outbreak has not happened yet. There's a chance that it might. We'll have to see.

You can read all about it: The Hot Zone: The Terrifying True Story of the Origins of the Ebola Virus: Richard Preston: 8601401254928: Amazon.com: Books

It's not so easy to spread. It's just news trying to get ratings. The reason why it's spreading so easily in Africa is that their tradition for handling dead bodies puts them in contact with their bodily fluids. A person dies of Ebola and the relatives traditionally wash the dead bodies. It won't spread here like it does there.
 
Jesus man.... AGAIN! READ YOUR OWN LINKS BEYOND THE TITLE!

“We have to rethink how we address infection control, because even a single infection is unacceptable,” he said.​

They have to adjust to make something that was fool proof... to totally dumbass-idiot proof for people who don't follow the protocol.

So what you have just done is tell me you didn't read the entire article. Must I spoonfeed you?
 
I never said anything about being fair - I spoke of consistency in demand... Seems Ebola has hit the heart of conservatism in America, so how about some consistency. Suspending travel in and out of Texas would be consistent with conservatice demands.


The two Nurses are NOT in Texas anymore.
 
No. We are not the government. You might be a government worker. You might be one of the millions of busybody bureaucrats living off the productive. But we are not. The government is evil. It is a necessary evil, nothing more. It must be tightly leashed and periodically chastened. Or it becomes the master and we become its slaves.


It is very likely that you enjoy being a pawn. There remains just one more opportunity short of revolution to restore the nation. We have the Article V convention of states to reverse the tyranny. If we fail then we have slavery or rebellion in our future.

Funny you should mention that, this is what Im listening to right now, as I play world of tanks online...
 
No. We are not the government. You might be a government worker. You might be one of the millions of busybody bureaucrats living off the productive. But we are not. The government is evil. It is a necessary evil, nothing more. It must be tightly leashed and periodically chastened. Or it becomes the master and we become its slaves.


It is very likely that you enjoy being a pawn. There remains just one more opportunity short of revolution to restore the nation. We have the Article V convention of states to reverse the tyranny. If we fail then we have slavery or rebellion in our future.

We are a self governing people. I'm not happy with our system outright and think we can do much better... but we are still self governing. What you just said above is EXACTLY what should exclude you and anyone who thinks like you from ever governing at all. Because you just blatantly stated that you think self governing is evil.
 
It's not so easy to spread. It's just news trying to get ratings. The reason why it's spreading so easily in Africa is that their tradition for handling dead bodies puts them in contact with their bodily fluids. A person dies of Ebola and the relatives traditionally wash the dead bodies. It won't spread here like it does there.

How did the two Nurses in Dallas catch it then ?

How did the free lance Photographer catch it ?
 
It's not so easy to spread. It's just news trying to get ratings. The reason why it's spreading so easily in Africa is that their tradition for handling dead bodies puts them in contact with their bodily fluids. A person dies of Ebola and the relatives traditionally wash the dead bodies. It won't spread here like it does there.

True. It won't spread like that here. But you have to admit that it can spread. Heck, it already has.

Further, we shouldn't continue to put the welcome mat out for continued importation of people with high risk of being infected. A visa ban for travelers directly or indirectly from these Africa regions needs to be instituted until the African outbreak subsides. It's only common sense to do so. Some 30 other countries have already exercised common sense and done instituted one. We should too.
 
True. It won't spread like that here. But you have to admit that it can spread. Heck, it already has.

Further, we shouldn't continue to put the welcome mat out for continued importation of people with high risk of being infected. A visa ban for travelers directly or indirectly from these Africa regions needs to be instituted until the African outbreak subsides. It's only common sense to do so. Some 30 other countries have already exercised common sense and done instituted one. We should too.

Its playing with fire when we dont need to.
 
So what you have just done is tell me you didn't read the entire article. Must I spoonfeed you?

Nope... what I'm telling you is that you only read the headline and then linked it... which is why I just spoonfed you.
 
True. It won't spread like that here. But you have to admit that it can spread. Heck, it already has.

Yes. I agree. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying eff it... I'm just saying that the ridiculous level of panick going on and being pushed by the media is so far beyond the pale that it is more unhealthy that the damn virus itself in that from panick evolves poor decisions and overreactions that become worse than the problem.

eohrnberger said:
Further, we shouldn't continue to put the welcome mat out for continued importation of people with high risk of being infected. A visa ban for travelers directly or indirectly from these Africa regions needs to be instituted until the African outbreak subsides. It's only common sense to do so. Some 30 other countries have already exercised common sense and done instituted one. We should too.

It's not a welcome mat. We have a duty to our citizens and our containment and treatment abilities can hardly be matched.
 
Yes. I agree. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying eff it... I'm just saying that the ridiculous level of panick going on and being pushed by the media is so far beyond the pale that it is more unhealthy that the damn virus itself in that from panick evolves poor decisions and overreactions that become worse than the problem.



It's not a welcome mat. We have a duty to our citizens and our containment and treatment abilities can hardly be matched.

The word panic implies a degree of irrationality or fear that need not be present to make the argument that our govt has demonstrably failed to do its job, and its a very BAD idea to minimize this threat.

Stop hiding behind Obama's attempt at political damage control-theres a reason to be concerned here.
 
The word panic implies a degree of irrationality or fear that need not be present to make the argument that our govt has demonstrably failed to do its job, and its a very BAD idea to minimize this threat.

Stop hiding behind Obama's attempt at political damage control-theres a reason to be concerned here.

From what I know, our government doesn't run that hospital in Dallas or employ the nurse that got infected. So no matter how hard you bend facts, your ideology of government hate can't cover this.
 
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The word panic implies a degree of irrationality or fear that need not be present to make the argument that our govt has demonstrably failed to do its job, and its a very BAD idea to minimize this threat.

Stop hiding behind Obama's attempt at political damage control-theres a reason to be concerned here.

Three people being affected is a failure of government?
 
From what I know, our government doesn't run that hospital in Dallas or employ the nurse that got infected. So no matter how hard you bend facts, your ideology of government hate can't cover this.

The govt was supposed to be overseeing this-a Dallas hospital has ZERO experience in treating this, beyond the recent outbreak. And when a nurse called the CDC she was told multiple times it was safe to fly.

Incompetence is what I hate-and things are too important to tolerate it.

Even africa has figured out that closing borders slows the spread.

News from The Associated Press
 
The govt was supposed to be overseeing this-a Dallas hospital has ZERO experience in treating this, beyond the recent outbreak. And when a nurse called the CDC she was told multiple times it was safe to fly.

Incompetence is what I hate-and things are too important to tolerate it.

Even africa has figured out that closing borders slows the spread.

News from The Associated Press

PANIC!!!11111!!1!!!!!!

It won't spread like that here and of those who do catch it here, it won't have a death rate like it does in Africa here. We are not Africa.

btw... if incomptence is what you truly hate, you wouldn't be voting for republican for sure.
 
It's not so easy to spread. It's just news trying to get ratings. The reason why it's spreading so easily in Africa is that their tradition for handling dead bodies puts them in contact with their bodily fluids. A person dies of Ebola and the relatives traditionally wash the dead bodies. It won't spread here like it does there.

It is apparently much easier than the CDC was telling us initially. If two nurses are positive, and being that nurses know how to avoid intimate contact with infectious bodily fluids, this leads me to believe it's easier than we were told. We were being told that contact precautions were the proper isolation technique when it was first learned that ebola was here in the states. That was apparently bull****. The CDC people who are dealing with it look like they are in hazmat suits, not hospital contact precaution garb.
 
PANIC!!!11111!!1!!!!!!

It won't spread like that here and of those who do catch it here, it won't have a death rate like it does in Africa here. We are not Africa.

btw... if incomptence is what you truly hate, you wouldn't be voting for republican for sure.

None of what you just said addresses my points.
 
It is apparently much easier than the CDC was telling us initially. If two nurses are positive, and being that nurses know how to avoid intimate contact with infectious bodily fluids, this leads me to believe it's easier than we were told. We were being told that contact precautions were the proper isolation technique when it was first learned that ebola was here in the states. That was apparently bull****. The CDC people who are dealing with it look like they are in hazmat suits, not hospital contact precaution garb.

Well its not only what you wear that's important. It's also how you disrobe and discard said garments. Which I think may have been the issue here.
 
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