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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Maybe. Maybe not. Do you believe this story is over? Or is it in remission?
    I believe that new cases might pop up here and there, but there will not be an outbreak among the American general population, simply because the modality of transmission for Ebola relies heavily on ignorant practices and lack of basic sanitation measures and medical facilities which is the case in Third World countries but not the case in developed countries.

    Question: how many serious/highly dangerous (from the standpoint of public health) Ebola outbreaks have happened in Third World countries so far? Many. Question: how many serious/highly dangerous (from the standpoint of public health) Ebola outbreaks have happened in developed countries so far? ZERO. This should teach you something. This is a fact. This is what all the scientific evidence indicates: that Ebola is a disease that spreads well in dire sanitation conditions but doesn't spread well in places that are able to implement efficient isolation measures, exactly because IT IS NOT AIRBORNE!

    I mean, if we were to justify shutting down visas and closing the borders because of a disease that has had ZERO spread in the American population and has killed ZERO Americans in the general population, then why in the hell don't we close the borders and shut down visas to ALL travelers coming from Asia which is how the flu comes here every year and kills 30,000 Americans every year?

    Don't you see the discrepancy there? Nobody ever worries about the flu and nobody comes up with a charged political discourse bashing the president because of the flu in spite of it claiming 30,000 American lives every year (not that we would be able to stop it by shutting down visas, etc.), and then all hell breaks lose (right before the mid-term elections, mind you) about a disease that has infected ZERO Americans in the general population and has killed ZERO Americans???

    So, two nurses who didn't follow protocol while directly caring for an individual who got infected elsewhere (mind you, only 2 out of 170 other caretakers), got infected and recovered (ever since, protocols have tightened up and it is unlikely that this will happen again). Some of our doctors who went there to help got infected and recovered. NOBODY in the general population got infected (in spite of all the hysteria about one of the nurses flying from Ohio to Texas and one of the doctors going bowling) and NO American has died of this disease.

    What in the hell are you guys so worried about? Do worry about the flu, buddy. Get your flu shot (which unfortunately this year doesn't match the strains so well but will still give partial protection), get on Tamiflu right away if you contract it, and stop worrying about freaking Ebola which is not a significant threat to our public health. Rely on science more than on politics in matters of disease, and you'll be better off.
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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    LOL, more than 30 days have passed, way beyond the 21-day incubation period, and by now assuming that my opponents above who tried to ridicule my (correct) position were right, then probably the virus went airborne and 3,000,000 Americans have contracted Ebola and half of them have died, right?
    Oh wait: the facts, those annoying things that get in the way of conspiracy theorists and tend to disprove "the-sky-is-falling" idiots, are rather showing that the virus is still not airborne, and the number of infected Americans is precisely... ZERO!
    Of course, all the vociferous folks who were yelling at me have been strangely silent...
    Too funny. I couldn't make this up, if I wanted to.
    So, Fenton, Porchev, j-mac and all, where is the big epidemic you had been predicting?
    Nowhere to be seen? Yeah, I thought so.
    Well thanks goodness for that, that nothing's happened.

    While I never bought into the hysteria, I think it was a legitimate concern that Ebola would escape into the general population, and that infected travalers from Ebola infested areas would be the most logical viral vector.

    Further, the possibility of Ebola mutating into an airborne variant that still maintained it's virulence and mortality rate was low, but never was zero.

    All in all, pretty glad it turn out the way it did, and have to tip my hat to the medical professionals at the hospitals in question and the CDC for performing on balance very well.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Well thanks goodness for that, that nothing's happened.

    While I never bought into the hysteria, I think it was a legitimate concern that Ebola would escape into the general population, and that infected travalers from Ebola infested areas would be the most logical viral vector.

    Further, the possibility of Ebola mutating into an airborne variant that still maintained it's virulence and mortality rate was low, but never was zero.

    All in all, pretty glad it turn out the way it did, and have to tip my hat to the medical professionals at the hospitals in question and the CDC for performing on balance very well.
    Good, this was a well-measured post, as opposed to the general hysteria I've seen, with some posters even saying "it will spread in America like wildfire" and "let's close the borders, or else we're all doomed."

    Now, about the virus becoming airborne, I hope you and others realize that this virus has been around since 1976 - that's 38 years - and has not mutated into an airborne form. Is the risk zero? No. But it is miniscule and rather unlikely.

    Yes, the concerns you quote are justified, as long as they remain on the level of concerns that need to be addressed (and were) as opposed to widespread panic and blame.

    Accusations that the president and the CDC were grossly incompetent and that we'd all die of this disease have pretty much proven to be GROSSLY EXAGGERATED, wouldn't you agree? Well, they served their purpose - the Democrats fared even worse in the mid-terms - but now it's way time to put these overblown concerns to rest, and just keep practicing good public health and good isolation techniques in case the rare case pops up here and there in America.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Good, this was a well-measured post, as opposed to the general hysteria I've seen, with some posters even saying "it will spread in America like wildfire" and "let's close the borders, or else we're all doomed."
    Check back, I believe I posted pretty much the same back then. However, a travel ban from Ebola infected areas, or a forced 21 day isolation prior to permission to enter the US would have been effective counter measures. Might have been as close as one more infected traveler in the US from exactly that.

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Now, about the virus becoming airborne, I hope you and others realize that this virus has been around since 1976 - that's 38 years - and has not mutated into an airborne form. Is the risk zero? No. But it is miniscule and rather unlikely.
    Mutation frequency goes up with the number of infected, as each infection represents it's own opportunity for the virus to mutate. As large as the population of the infected was (largest in history right?), the better the chances that a spontaneous mutation could occur.

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Yes, the concerns you quote are justified, as long as they remain on the level of concerns that need to be addressed (and were) as opposed to widespread panic and blame.
    Agreed.

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Accusations that the president and the CDC were grossly incompetent and that we'd all die of this disease have pretty much proven to be GROSSLY EXAGGERATED, wouldn't you agree? Well, they served their purpose - the Democrats fared even worse in the mid-terms - but now it's way time to put these overblown concerns to rest, and just keep practicing good public health and good isolation techniques in case the rare case pops up here and there in America.
    Rather than connecting Ebola hysteria to the midterm results, I think the midterm results may have been self inflicted.


    in the form of an over confidence in the popularity of the policies themselves and an over confidence in the popularity of the president.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Check back, I believe I posted pretty much the same back then. However, a travel ban from Ebola infected areas, or a forced 21 day isolation prior to permission to enter the US would have been effective counter measures. Might have been as close as one more infected traveler in the US from exactly that.



    Mutation frequency goes up with the number of infected, as each infection represents it's own opportunity for the virus to mutate. As large as the population of the infected was (largest in history right?), the better the chances that a spontaneous mutation could occur.



    Agreed.



    Rather than connecting Ebola hysteria to the midterm results, I think the midterm results may have been self inflicted.


    in the form of an over confidence in the popularity of the policies themselves and an over confidence in the popularity of the president.
    I won't give myself the trouble of browsing back but I believe you; you seem to have your head in your shoulders.

    Yes, the president was rather stupid when he issued that quote; agreed. Still, at least some undecided voters may have panicked due to Ebola. You know that the fear factor always helps the GOP.

    Today a colleague told me about a graduation paper by a neuropsychology student - it hasn't been published yet, but this colleague is a mentor for this student - comparing fear in progressive and conservative subjects (gauged by a series of questions about several political ideals and positions, then exposition of the subjects to frightening images) and also looking into functional MRI - it showed that conservatives tend to be more fearful and to have larger amygdalas in their brains, and more activation in their amygdalas when exposed to the images. The amygdala as you may know, is responsible for detecting fear and preparing for reaction to emergencies. Very interesting... like I said, there is no link so you'll have to just believe me, but I hope this gets published.

    About mutations frequency - sure, it increases with more infected carriers, but it doesn't mean these mutations if they occur will change the mode of transmission, and it also doesn't mean they will preserve virulence. Blood-borne viruses do not tend to mutate to airborne very easily. Much the opposite, they tend to remain blood-borne.

    The bottom line is, Ebola hasn't been a threat to public health in developed countries for the last 38 years ever since the virus came into existence, and it is unlikely that this will change. Not impossible, sure, but very unlikely.

    By the way, even in Liberia the epidemic is now fading.

    And say what you want, but I won't cancel my perception that part of the panic was politically motivated. Just look at the self-defined position regarding the political spectrum of folks here who issued the most panicky statements: conservatives were the vast majority of them.
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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    I believe that new cases might pop up here and there, but there will not be an outbreak among the American general population, simply because the modality of transmission for Ebola relies heavily on ignorant practices and lack of basic sanitation measures and medical facilities which is the case in Third World countries but not the case in developed countries.

    Question: how many serious/highly dangerous (from the standpoint of public health) Ebola outbreaks have happened in Third World countries so far? Many. Question: how many serious/highly dangerous (from the standpoint of public health) Ebola outbreaks have happened in developed countries so far? ZERO. This should teach you something. This is a fact. This is what all the scientific evidence indicates: that Ebola is a disease that spreads well in dire sanitation conditions but doesn't spread well in places that are able to implement efficient isolation measures, exactly because IT IS NOT AIRBORNE!
    I have not made the claim that it was airborne.

    I hope you are right.

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