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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    See your double standard. You made assumptions about my knowledge of virology or lack thereof, and then you say this:


    Well, you also don't know me. I assure you, I know a lot more about virology than you assume. Since I don't believe in pulling rank and talking about personal expertise in the Internet because nothing can be proven (this is an anonymous site and I certainly prefer to keep my private information, well, private), I won't say more; but I will say this: you are *completely* wrong when you assume I don't know my virology.


    You are wrong. Viruses can be clustered in classes and within the classes they do behave similarly. I repeat, Ebola is NOT an airborne virus, and significant chances that it will become one only exist in the wild dreams of non-serious scientists who want publicity. Ebola is not a new phenomenon. It's been around, and it is not airborne. Period.


    I'm only slightly liberal. In this Ebola "crisis" however I can clearly see what the Right is doing, and it isn't pretty.
    First off, I didn't chastise you with puffed chest Internet tough talk...So your attempt to pull the double standard crap doesn't fly...Second you completely failed to address the talking point crap you spew in speaking of "non serious" scientists and such, then DO IT AGAIN...Amazing...Third, as for pulling rank you have a point in it being the internet, and little can be proven, but I think it is easy to read the writing of an educated man, and I am sorry if I am assuming, but your writing doesn't smack of Dr. or professional in the ID field to me, it does however speak of someone trying to be clever and sound like they know what they are talking about when doing little but spewing liberal talking points...That's just my opinion....Oh, and save the attack, it doesn't matter to me what you think.
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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    It's also possible that the two healthcare workers were contaminated when Duncan first walked into the hospital on Thursday, September 25th, as they began showing symptoms well within the 2 to 21 days incubation period since Duncan's first visit.

    There are only 2 out of 76+ healthcare workers who treated Duncan who've come down with Ebola so far.

    If the hospital procedures were insufficient, it is reasonable to think that many more people who treated Duncan once he was hospitalized would have shown symptoms by now.

    This points more to contracting the virus from Duncan's initial visit, when only a few workers might have been both on duty and serving duty in the ER at the time.
    2 Out of 76+ sounds good...

    But, from a epidemiological tracking model point of view, you look at it from a Case (Infected Person) and its Offspring Cases.

    So 1->2->4->8->16...

    Now, as Epidemics go, that's not bad at all.

    More common are 1->16->256->4096.

    Still, for the hospital treatment to be practical, It actually has to be less than Unity.

    1->0.5->0.25

    Meaning, that only one of every two cases creates a new case.

    Anything above unity, from an Epidemic Control perspective, is a recipe for disaster.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Well, I could believe health experts and those who have been involved in multiple outbreaks of various diseases and do this kind of thing as a career, OR random partisan internet guy and ignoramuses on cable news and talk radio.

    It's a tough decision but I'll go with the experts.

    And, yes, I believe me. Can't imagine any point of lying on a debate forum. There's always going to be someone on the other side of the issue.
    I am sure you will go where your heart leads you. If you believe that preventing potentially Ebola-infected people from selecting the US as a flight destination will magically have an impact on people going to Ebola country then no one will be able to follow your logic nor convince you of the error of your ways.

    It may be my own failings. You do not appear to be stupid. The only other thing I can think of is intentional dishonesty.

    Maybe like Obola/Ebama and the Democrats you want to keep our borders open so you can change the electorate to one more of your liking.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    First off, I didn't chastise you with puffed chest Internet tough talk...So your attempt to pull the double standard crap doesn't fly...Second you completely failed to address the talking point crap you spew in speaking of "non serious" scientists and such, then DO IT AGAIN...Amazing...Third, as for pulling rank you have a point in it being the internet, and little can be proven, but I think it is easy to read the writing of an educated man, and I am sorry if I am assuming, but your writing doesn't smack of Dr. or professional in the ID field to me, it does however speak of someone trying to be clever and sound like they know what they are talking about when doing little but spewing liberal talking points...That's just my opinion....Oh, and save the attack, it doesn't matter to me what you think.
    He had an infection once...

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    And flight and other travel restrictions make it harder to get aid and workers and supplies to the region, and that's where the outbreak will have to controlled.
    Here we go again with this pitiful excuse.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Is this a scary disease? You bet. Are we in danger of walking out of the house and contracting Ebola tomorrow? No...But that doesn't mean that we need smug, arrogant, dismissive bull**** from liberals that think they know it all, and to date sure look like every damned thing catches them by surprise.
    Liberals care less about serious situations until they become nearly uncontrollable.
    Example? Obama and his slow military response to ISIS' spread across Iraq and Syria.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

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    Liberals care less about serious situations until they become nearly uncontrollable.
    Example? Obama and his slow military response to ISIS' spread across Iraq and Syria.
    Sometimes I think that at the end of an 8 year stint in power, when they are at the end of their destructive terms, they set this **** up so that when the next Republican President gets in they can just blame it all on them....
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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    First off, I didn't chastise you with puffed chest Internet tough talk...So your attempt to pull the double standard crap doesn't fly...Second you completely failed to address the talking point crap you spew in speaking of "non serious" scientists and such, then DO IT AGAIN...Amazing...Third, as for pulling rank you have a point in it being the internet, and little can be proven, but I think it is easy to read the writing of an educated man, and I am sorry if I am assuming, but your writing doesn't smack of Dr. or professional in the ID field to me, it does however speak of someone trying to be clever and sound like they know what they are talking about when doing little but spewing liberal talking points...That's just my opinion....Oh, and save the attack, it doesn't matter to me what you think.
    It's almost funny how wrong you are about my supposed lack of expertise (and it is even funnier when we consider your blunder about infectious diseases behaving the same way in the First an Third worlds. As for my writing, English is not my primary language so I'm naturally less articulate in it. It's actually the fifth language that I learned. Oh well, you won't believe it either, and like you, I couldn't care less. Have a nice day, sir.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    It's almost funny how wrong you are about my supposed lack of expertise (and it is even funnier when we consider your blunder about infectious diseases behaving the same way in the First an Third worlds. As for my writing, English is not my primary language so I'm naturally less articulate in it. It's actually the fifth language that I learned. Oh well, you won't believe it either, and like you, I couldn't care less. Have a nice day, sir.

    "Viruses can change at a very fast rate. Viruses make more of themselves, the only known way a virus can make more of itself is by taking over the host cell. The virus have to develop quicker then their host cell. If the virus doesn't develop quicker then their host, the host would develop to where a virus wouldn't be able to take over other cells. The viruses have to stay ahead of the game to survive. Viruses have to have their host around to make more of themselves. Every new cell will have a copy of the virus in it causing the virus to spread quickly. The virus changes in the same way that it spreads, when the infected cell reproduces sometimes they're are not always exact copy's somethings are left out or added to the virus causing it to mutate over time. The mutation can cause the virus to die or become even stronger. Mutation is when the DNA or RNA of the genetic material is being changed. The ability to change from one host to the next or one organism to the next is one characteristic that has given the flu virus a long life and almost impossible to destroy. Mutations happen when the DNA of a single cell gets changed. One problem with viruses spreading and changing is having to have a fresh host to take over. Viruses can also spread and mutate during fertilization. The virus mutates in only the egg or sperm cell so when the cell starts to reproduce it will be infected with the virus."

    https://sites.google.com/a/fivestars...-virus-change/

    Hmmm...I am not sure what your training is, but I'm pretty sure that no where in that explanation did I see that a virus considers how advanced a country is in its goal of mutating....Mabey you need more training.
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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    "Viruses can change at a very fast rate. Viruses make more of themselves, the only known way a virus can make more of itself is by taking over the host cell. The virus have to develop quicker then their host cell. If the virus doesn't develop quicker then their host, the host would develop to where a virus wouldn't be able to take over other cells. The viruses have to stay ahead of the game to survive. Viruses have to have their host around to make more of themselves. Every new cell will have a copy of the virus in it causing the virus to spread quickly. The virus changes in the same way that it spreads, when the infected cell reproduces sometimes they're are not always exact copy's somethings are left out or added to the virus causing it to mutate over time. The mutation can cause the virus to die or become even stronger. Mutation is when the DNA or RNA of the genetic material is being changed. The ability to change from one host to the next or one organism to the next is one characteristic that has given the flu virus a long life and almost impossible to destroy. Mutations happen when the DNA of a single cell gets changed. One problem with viruses spreading and changing is having to have a fresh host to take over. Viruses can also spread and mutate during fertilization. The virus mutates in only the egg or sperm cell so when the cell starts to reproduce it will be infected with the virus."

    https://sites.google.com/a/fivestars...-virus-change/

    Hmmm...I am not sure what your training is, but I'm pretty sure that no where in that explanation did I see that a virus considers how advanced a country is in its goal of mutating....Mabey you need more training.
    So, let's get this straight. You google stuff. I have professional training in it. Who should we believe? Tough question, let me think... mmm.... I'll go with me.

    Yes, virus can mutate. The flu virus for example has different strains every year as it mutates. It doesn't change the way it is transmitted, though. Again, get this: it is highly unlikely that the Ebola virus will become airborne. Impossible? No. Likely? Not at all.

    The virus doesn't "consider" anything. It doesn't think (you are too funny!). What changes is the epidemiology of transmission, making an epidemic or a minor outbreak behave radically differently in a Third World versus a First World country. You saying it doesn't matter is a *collossal* blunder, and for a person who makes this blunder to be putting down my training and knowledge of the topic is rather hilarious.

    I don't expect you to believe me because it doesn't fit your political agenda. Once this situation blows over and the United States does not get an Ebola African-like epidemic (it won't) then maybe you'll look back and realize that your concerns are foolish in epidemiological terms. They aren't foolish in political terms, though, since they are likely to get voters to refrain from voting for the candidates you don't want to see elected, in a week. In this sense, do run around yelling that the sky is falling because yes, it does favor your side and yes, it's reasonable (although irresponsible) to do it - just, don't pretend it is realistic, or else *you* look foolish.

    Meanwhile the second nurse is free from the virus so the only two cases of US transmission are over and no general public outbreak has happened which should give you pause (like I said, in developed country with decent medical facilities and isolation regulations, Ebola has a really hard time spreading like wild fire as it does in Africa).

    Unfortunately the United States is becoming an anti-Science country. Too bad. People pay attention to bad pop science - "Oh my God, the virus will become airborne, we're doomed" - and ignore good science - the one that indicates that this virus has been around for a while and has not become airborne, and likely won't.

    No, I don't need any more training, thank you. I hold two doctoral degrees, it's more than enough training.
    Last edited by GreatNews2night; 10-28-14 at 08:36 AM.

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