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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Well, several days later and with incubation periods being mostly over, we have no closed borders and no new cases either. It does seem by now that the hysteria that took the country by storm was grossly exaggerated. I'm guilty of the same; I was for at least cancelling visas for travelers from the affected countries, and mandatory quarantine for US citizens coming from them. It seems like the government was right after all, and the risk is much smaller than what all the Obama haters were claiming. I mean, not even the girlfriend and family members of the Liberian guy who died in Dallas contracted the disease. It looks like the nurses who did, failed protocol when removing the protective gear. This thing seems to only spread when people are *highly* symptomatic, vomiting and pooping and bleeding all over the place. That is, it only spreads in places with no medical care and no protective gear for health care workers, where people deal with the diseased at home and handle the dead bodies without protection (that is, only in third world messes). People talking about an American ebola "outbreak" should be ashamed by now. 1 foreigner dead. Two nurses who failed protocol got the disease. They are both being treated and doing fairly well. 330 million Americans remain ebola-free. Outbreak, indeed! Meanwhile the flu kills 30,000 Americans per year and there is no outcry about it.
    And, the few countries that had direct non stop airline flights (Belgium, Morocco, Mauritania) have not had any ebola cases either.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Well, several days later and with incubation periods being mostly over, we have no closed borders and no new cases either. It does seem by now that the hysteria that took the country by storm was grossly exaggerated. I'm guilty of the same; I was for at least cancelling visas for travelers from the affected countries, and mandatory quarantine for US citizens coming from them. It seems like the government was right after all, and the risk is much smaller than what all the Obama haters were claiming. I mean, not even the girlfriend and family members of the Liberian guy who died in Dallas contracted the disease. It looks like the nurses who did, failed protocol when removing the protective gear. This thing seems to only spread when people are *highly* symptomatic, vomiting and pooping and bleeding all over the place. That is, it only spreads in places with no medical care and no protective gear for health care workers, where people deal with the diseased at home and handle the dead bodies without protection (that is, only in third world messes). People talking about an American ebola "outbreak" should be ashamed by now. 1 foreigner dead. Two nurses who failed protocol got the disease. They are both being treated and doing fairly well. 330 million Americans remain ebola-free. Outbreak, indeed! Meanwhile the flu kills 30,000 Americans per year and there is no outcry about it.
    That's great....And truly I hope that we don't see anymore, and I also hope for those liberals out there that are now starting to crow about success are right? See, I don't want to see people come down with this horrible disease and die because our administration were caught with their pants down, and refused to do the common sense things to protect this nation, you know, like they took an oath to do?

    Oh, and if you are that worried about the flu, which is an under the wire horrible disease, then you should put your efforts toward that, start a thread and post some facts, do what you can. Comparing Ebola to the Flu is absurd. But I understand that is what you libs do....
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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

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    That's great....And truly I hope that we don't see anymore, and I also hope for those liberals out there that are now starting to crow about success are right? See, I don't want to see people come down with this horrible disease and die because our administration were caught with their pants down, and refused to do the common sense things to protect this nation, you know, like they took an oath to do? Oh, and if you are that worried about the flu, which is an under the wire horrible disease, then you should put your efforts toward that, start a thread and post some facts, do what you can. Comparing Ebola to the Flu is absurd. But I understand that is what you libs do....
    Why is it absurd to compare Ebola to the flu? They are both viral infectious diseases, if you haven't noticed. It's a valid point to make, that such a killer like the flu that decimates 30,000 Americans per year doesn't seem to scare anybody and there are many who refuse the flu shot thanks to completely ignorant views (such as thinking that it causes autism), while they cry out loud about Ebola, a disease that has killed one foreigner so far in America, and infected some four or five careless health workers (including the NYC doctor who came back from Guinea and tested positive today). Now, another huge fear-mongering will happen in New York, and all the conservatives will come hard on the president, and then as it happens in these cases, the doctor is perfectly isolated at an Ebola-designated facility (Bellevue Hospital), just as isolated is his girlfriend, and after 21 days you'll all realize that the fear-mongering was for nothing and nobody else got the virus from this doctor.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Why is it absurd to compare Ebola to the flu? They are both viral infectious diseases, if you haven't noticed. It's a valid point to make, that such a killer like the flu that decimates 30,000 Americans per year doesn't seem to scare anybody and there are many who refuse the flu shot thanks to completely ignorant views (such as thinking that it causes autism), while they cry out loud about Ebola, a disease that has killed one foreigner so far in America, and infected some four or five careless health workers (including the NYC doctor who came back from Guinea and tested positive today). Now, another huge fear-mongering will happen in New York, and all the conservatives will come hard on the president, and then as it happens in these cases, the doctor is perfectly isolated at an Ebola-designated facility (Bellevue Hospital), just as isolated is his girlfriend, and after 21 days you'll all realize that the fear-mongering was for nothing and nobody else got the virus from this doctor.
    There are several liberal dems, including Cuomo who have been calling for a flight restriction, are they fear mongering?

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

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    +1 well said, I agree.
    Another Leftie who is supremely confident that they are immune to Ebola..... Why?
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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

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    There are several liberal dems, including Cuomo who have been calling for a flight restriction, are they fear mongering?
    These are political talking points rather than sensible disease-control measures. It's been said by various specialists that flight restrictions don't work. First, we do not at this time have direct flights from the affected countries. Second, even if we banned these flights, people would just get around it by flying first to some other country. During the SARS epidemic several countries tried to adopt flight restrictions and it didn't work at all for them. Australia for instance stopped, screened, and quarantined thousands of people at millions of expenses, and were unable to spot a single case in that program, which was then a huge amount of wasted time and money.

    But of course, it sounds very good for political talking points to yell out loud that the lousy president is not protecting American's health by not implementing flight restrictions. It resonates well with the public because the members of the public are not experts and don't know or don't believe that flight restrictions don't work.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    These are political talking points rather than sensible disease-control measures. It's been said by various specialists that flight restrictions don't work. First, we do not at this time have direct flights from the affected countries. Second, even if we banned these flights, people would just get around it by flying first to some other country. During the SARS epidemic several countries tried to adopt flight restrictions and it didn't work at all for them. Australia for instance stopped, screened, and quarantined thousands of people at millions of expenses, and were unable to spot a single case in that program, which was then a huge amount of wasted time and money.

    But of course, it sounds very good for political talking points to yell out loud that the lousy president is not protecting American's health by not implementing flight restrictions. It resonates well with the public because the members of the public are not experts and don't know or don't believe that flight restrictions don't work.
    So, in your opinion, preventing people who have been to ebola country recently, from coming to the US, will have no effect of the probability of additional Ebola cases in the US?

    It is counter intuitive. Please explain.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Why is it absurd to compare Ebola to the flu? They are both viral infectious diseases, if you haven't noticed. It's a valid point to make, that such a killer like the flu that decimates 30,000 Americans per year doesn't seem to scare anybody and there are many who refuse the flu shot thanks to completely ignorant views (such as thinking that it causes autism), while they cry out loud about Ebola, a disease that has killed one foreigner so far in America, and infected some four or five careless health workers (including the NYC doctor who came back from Guinea and tested positive today). Now, another huge fear-mongering will happen in New York, and all the conservatives will come hard on the president, and then as it happens in these cases, the doctor is perfectly isolated at an Ebola-designated facility (Bellevue Hospital), just as isolated is his girlfriend, and after 21 days you'll all realize that the fear-mongering was for nothing and nobody else got the virus from this doctor.
    Outside of the obvious, the flu has been with us for a while now, and we have a vaccine for it, that some refuse it, is their choice. But, the fear behind Ebola, is that we know relatively little about it, or its possibility to mutate to airborne...And there is NO vaccine for it...Add to that the fact that we keep getting told different stories about this thing as it gets worse and worse. First there was no way we would see a case here, then we have a case but it is contained and treated, then there was NO possibility of anyone coming here and infecting anyone here, and guess what that happened...Now we are told that security against this is tightened, and another case pops up....My God...Do we really have to wait until Ebola kills as many as the flu, or God forbid gets airborne, and starts spreading without people carrying it in? Why aren't we being told the truth?

    So, you go ahead and take comfort in your denial if you wish, I will continue to think that our so called "controls" are not yet strong enough.
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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    So, in your opinion, preventing people who have been to ebola country recently, from coming to the US, will have no effect of the probability of additional Ebola cases in the US?

    It is counter intuitive. Please explain.
    It's because we CAN'T prevent them from coming here through flight restrictions.
    Like officials in African countries that didn't adopt restrictions said, it's best to have people coming legally and be screened, monitored, and tracked, than to try to enforce a blanket prohibition, in which case people will get around it and sneak in undetected, and untraceable.

    If flight restrictions COULD prevent people from coming here, then I'd be for them. The sad reality is that they can't. THEY. JUST. DON'T. WORK. This has been proven over and over in other epidemics.

    So, flight restrictions are nothing more than a political talking point the Right is using to attack the president. They are ineffective and actually can backfire.
    Last edited by GreatNews2night; 10-24-14 at 05:54 PM.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    It's because we CAN'T prevent them from coming here through flight restrictions.
    Like officials in African countries that didn't adopt restrictions said, it's best to have people coming legally and be screened, monitored, and tracked, then to try to enforce a blanket prohibition, in which case people will get around it and sneak in undetected, and untraceable.

    If flight restrictions COULD prevent people from coming here, then I'd be for then. The sad reality is that they can't. THEY. JUST. DON'T. WORK. This has been proven over and over in other epidemics.

    So, flight restrictions are nothing more than a political talking point the Right is using to attack the president. They are ineffective and actually can backfire.

    We can simply STOP issuing them VISA'S.

    Its that simple

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