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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

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    No matter how mant times you repeat that it won't make it true.
    It was true the first time he said it.
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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Nigeria is now free of Ebola. From the World Health Organization:

    WHO officially declares that Nigeria is now free of Ebola virus transmission.

    This is a spectacular success story that shows that Ebola can be contained. The story of how Nigeria ended what many believed to be potentially the most explosive Ebola outbreak imaginable is worth telling in detail.


    WHO | Nigeria is now free of Ebola virus transmission

    The WHO press release explains how Nigeria was able to contain the spread of Ebola and bring about the positive outcome now being reported. The press release states:

    As the United States Consul General in Nigeria, Jeffrey Hawkins, said at the time, “The last thing anyone in the world wants to hear is the 2 words, ‘Ebola’ and ‘Lagos’ in the same sentence. ” As he noted, that single juxtaposition conjured up images of an “apocalyptic urban outbreak”.

    That never happened. With assistance from WHO, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and others, government health officials reached 100% of known contacts in Lagos and 99.8% at the second outbreak site, in Port Harcourt, Nigeria’s oil hub.

    Federal and State governments in Nigeria provided ample financial and material resources, as well as well-trained and experienced national staff.

    Isolation wards were immediately constructed, as were designated Ebola treatment facilities, though more slowly. Vehicles and mobile phones, with specially adapted programmes, were made available to aid real-time reporting as the investigations moved forward.

    Unlike the situation in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, all identified contacts were physically monitored on a daily basis for 21 days. The few contacts who attempted to escape the monitoring system were all diligently tracked, using special intervention teams, and returned to medical observation to complete the requisite monitoring period of 21 days...

    The use of cutting-edge technologies, developed with guidance from the WHO polio programme, put GPS systems to work as support for real-time contact tracing and daily mapping of links between identified chains of transmission.

    This is a good public health story with an unusual twist at the end. As part of preparedness for an imported case, several advanced countries with good health systems are now studying technologies “made in Nigeria”, with WHO support, to improve their own contact tracing capacities.


    It should be noted that the U.S. has aggressively traced the contacts related to all of its Ebola cases (the Liberian national who died in Dallas and the two infected nurses). So even as there have been gaps the early Ebola response (likely do to a lack of coordinate national strategy at the onset, which led to widely disclosed issues related to training and equipment), there is also a lot that the U.S. is doing right, especially if the Nigeria example is representative.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I don't see how it's invalid.
    A summation of your argument is something along these lines:

    Now that ebola has been brought to Texas from Liberia, and then transmitted to two nurses we should quarantine Texas and cease travel between Texas and other states. This is only fair since conservatives (which you associate with Texas even though many liberals live here and my city is very blue) have called for a cessation of travel from the African countries which are infected.

    The problem with your argument is there is a tremendous lack of equivalence between the situation in Africa and the situation here. When thousands or even hundreds of cases are happening in a US state then talking about controlling travel from that state begins to make sense.

    I would put forth, rather, that you are really more interested in sticking to conservatives than making a decent argument. So a suggestion: come up with something more critically accurate and supported before you waste your ammo and risk looking like a fool.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Typos:

    The last paragraph of #402 should state:

    It should be noted that the U.S. has aggressively traced the contacts related to all of its Ebola cases (the Liberian national who died in Dallas and the two infected nurses). So even as there have been gaps the early Ebola response (likely due to a lack of coordinated national strategy at the onset, which led to widely disclosed issues related to training and equipment), there is also a lot that the U.S. is doing right, especially if the Nigeria example is representative.

    I regret the typos.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by cAPSLOCK View Post
    A summation of your argument is something along these lines:

    Now that ebola has been brought to Texas from Liberia, and then transmitted to two nurses we should quarantine Texas and cease travel between Texas and other states. This is only fair since conservatives (which you associate with Texas even though many liberals live here and my city is very blue) have called for a cessation of travel from the African countries which are infected.

    The problem with your argument is there is a tremendous lack of equivalence between the situation in Africa and the situation here. When thousands or even hundreds of cases are happening in a US state then talking about controlling travel from that state begins to make sense.

    I would put forth, rather, that you are really more interested in sticking to conservatives than making a decent argument. So a suggestion: come up with something more critically accurate and supported before you waste your ammo and risk looking like a fool.
    No, there's no problem with my argument. You summed it up quite nicely. I was just making a point; and a good one too. I find it interesting though that none of the right-wing hacks are calling for a travel ban when it happens to US, so it's actually their arguments that are weak on the issue.
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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    No, there's no problem with my argument. You summed it up quite nicely. I was just making a point; and a good one too. I find it interesting though that none of the right-wing hacks are calling for a travel ban when it happens to US, so it's actually their arguments that are weak on the issue.
    We shall agree to disagree. I think I do understand your argument fairly well, and would agree with it if there was a more equivalent outbreak here in Texas as in Africa.

    I could show you a pic I took from the windshield of my car 3 blocks from my house as the news truck set up caddy corner to my 8 year old daughters elementary school where we went to skateboard. Nina Pham's apartment. Ebola virus was in MY neighborhood. All the rest of us are currently well.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

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    Still blaming Obama? It works both ways.
    Blaming Obama is blaming the right person.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    "President Ebola could not take some time off from golf, fund raising and partying to close the border from potential Ebola carriers. He still hasn't. Why not?"
    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    No matter how mant times you repeat that it won't make it true.
    Okay. Did The One take time off from golf, fund raising, and partying, to tell his state department to close our borders and to prevent possibly Ebola-infected people from Ebola country?

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Nope I actually admit there were mistakes made by this admin. But your article is conjecture on a politically based website. As a someone with a science degree though it wouldn't pass the sniff test for me.
    Oh come on, Obama is appointing a political hack to disseminate propaganda to the people, and you want to try and cloak yourself in science as though because you say you hold a degree that should end discussion?

    Ever heard of 'appeal to authority'?
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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

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    Nigeria is now free of Ebola. From the World Health Organization:

    WHO officially declares that Nigeria is now free of Ebola virus transmission.

    This is a spectacular success story that shows that Ebola can be contained. The story of how Nigeria ended what many believed to be potentially the most explosive Ebola outbreak imaginable is worth telling in detail.


    WHO | Nigeria is now free of Ebola virus transmission

    The WHO press release explains how Nigeria was able to contain the spread of Ebola and bring about the positive outcome now being reported. The press release states:

    As the United States Consul General in Nigeria, Jeffrey Hawkins, said at the time, “The last thing anyone in the world wants to hear is the 2 words, ‘Ebola’ and ‘Lagos’ in the same sentence. ” As he noted, that single juxtaposition conjured up images of an “apocalyptic urban outbreak”.

    That never happened. With assistance from WHO, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and others, government health officials reached 100% of known contacts in Lagos and 99.8% at the second outbreak site, in Port Harcourt, Nigeria’s oil hub.

    Federal and State governments in Nigeria provided ample financial and material resources, as well as well-trained and experienced national staff.

    Isolation wards were immediately constructed, as were designated Ebola treatment facilities, though more slowly. Vehicles and mobile phones, with specially adapted programmes, were made available to aid real-time reporting as the investigations moved forward.

    Unlike the situation in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, all identified contacts were physically monitored on a daily basis for 21 days. The few contacts who attempted to escape the monitoring system were all diligently tracked, using special intervention teams, and returned to medical observation to complete the requisite monitoring period of 21 days...

    The use of cutting-edge technologies, developed with guidance from the WHO polio programme, put GPS systems to work as support for real-time contact tracing and daily mapping of links between identified chains of transmission.

    This is a good public health story with an unusual twist at the end. As part of preparedness for an imported case, several advanced countries with good health systems are now studying technologies “made in Nigeria”, with WHO support, to improve their own contact tracing capacities.


    It should be noted that the U.S. has aggressively traced the contacts related to all of its Ebola cases (the Liberian national who died in Dallas and the two infected nurses). So even as there have been gaps the early Ebola response (likely do to a lack of coordinate national strategy at the onset, which led to widely disclosed issues related to training and equipment), there is also a lot that the U.S. is doing right, especially if the Nigeria example is representative.
    And they immediately closed their borders
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