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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    And this is how a right wing partisan hack jumps on the lets blame the left for everything wagon.
    Well that happens no matter what party....
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Sure their were. Whatever you say. I 'll take your word for it.
    You apparently didn't see the NYT yesterday about the chemical weapons found in Iraq in 2003/2004, the servicemen who were exposed to mustard gas, and how the locations of the stockpiles are now in ISIS hands.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...l-weapons.html

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by northwinds View Post
    Why is the CDC concerned about the other folks on the Frontier flight.........it can't be transmitted as an airborn illness.....right?
    Close contact and one day from showing symptoms for a start. Doesn't have to be airborn.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    If the U.S. starts witnessing person-to-person transmission beyond the Dallas health care workers and those with whom they had contact, then he will almost certainly be replaced at some point.

    I'm not sure about the exact reasons such a team wasn't sent. However, I suspect that it is part of a larger problem that has plagued the U.S. government in recent years: a lack of strategy for such circumstances on account of a lack of contingency planning. While this problem doesn't garner the headlines the seemingly endless Republican-Democratic clashes receive, it is a significant problem that has hobbled U.S. domestic, foreign, and military policy, leaving the U.S. behind the curve of events and having to scramble to catch up. IMO, President Obama (and if he doesn't, his successor) should create a crisis working group containing such people as the Secretary of State, National Security Adviser, Secretary of Defense, etc. That group would be charged with identifying the major risks the U.S. could confront within the next 10 years. Afterward, each of the major departments would be charged with developing a strategy for such events and scenarios that could arise.

    Even if one might not have expected Ebola to move into the U.S., the threat of a possible viral outbreak (be it from natural or manmade origins e.g., a biological weapons attack) has been in the mix of widely discussed possibilities. Logical "what if" questions would concern the type of pathogen: anthrax (used in the past), small pox (rumored), bio-engineered influenza, etc., tropical diseases (often brought up in the climate change debate), each of which would require a response.

    The same holds true for foreign policy. With respect to Syria, the risks associated with a decaying authoritarian regime were not novel. One has witnessed the consequences of such decay in post-Tito Yugoslavia, post-Assad Iraq, Lebanon, etc. Syria is, as U.S. Ambassador to Syria Richard Murphy put it in 1976, "a patchwork quilt of small groups." Moreover, these groups have had major differences. At the same time, there were also radical Islamist elements devoted to toppling any kind of secular order present. Syria was a proverbial powder keg. Yet, when the protest movement was shoved aside by armed elements, the U.S. naively assumed that the democratic protest movement (almost certainly a minority among the overall population) had transitioned into armed democratic uprising. Notable former U.S. statesmen ranging from Brent Scowcroft to Henry Kissinger urged extreme caution in making such a diagnosis. As Kissinger later noted in his World Order, among those who took up arms, "few elements...could be described as democratic, much less moderate." Yet, U.S. policy was based on the false assumption of a democratic and moderate uprising. Rather than merely condemning the Assad dictatorship for its brutality, the U.S. boxed itself into a strategic lockbox by calling for regime change. Now it has less strategic flexibility than might otherwise have been the case, even as the deepening power vacuum was filled by the increasingly extreme elements such as ISIS.



    There are differences between the nurses union's account and what the hospital has said. The matter needs to be examined.



    Given his public role on CNN, I suspect the position of Surgeon General might be a better fit for him. I'm not sure that Dr. Gupta has the management experience to run a large entity like CDC. The CEO or COO of a leading hospital or medical research institution would probably be better prepared to run the CDC.
    From Post 101.....They even allowed these Nurses to go and treat others. Knowing Protocols were not in place.


    Deborah Burger of National Nurses United, who convened a conference call with reporters to relay what she said were concerns of nurses at the hospital, said they were forced to use medical tape to secure openings in their flimsy garments and worried that their necks and heads were exposed as they cared for Duncan. RoseAnn DeMoro, executive director of Nurses United, said the statement came from "several" and "a few" nurses, but she refused repeated inquiries to state how many. She said the organization had vetted the claims, and that the nurses cited were in a position to know what had occurred at the hospital. She did not specify whether they were among the nurses caring for Duncan.

    The nurses allege that his lab samples were allowed to travel through the hospital's pneumatic tubes, possibly risking contaminating of the specimen-delivery system. They also said that hazardous waste was allowed to pile up to the ceiling. The nurses' statement said they had to "interact with Mr. Duncan with whatever protective equipment was available," even as he produced "a lot of contagious fluids." Duncan's medical records underscore that concern. They also say nurses treating Duncan were also caring for other patients in the hospital and that, in the face of constantly shifting guidelines, they were allowed to follow whichever ones they chose. When Ebola was suspected but unconfirmed, a doctor wrote that use of disposable shoe covers should also be considered. At that point, by all protocols, shoe covers should have been mandatory to prevent anyone from tracking contagious body fluids around the hospital.....snip~

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So you will continue to dismiss it as "nothing to see here" until it becomes something to see, then I suspect you'll be nowhere in those threads to answer for your statements.
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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    You apparently didn't see the NYT yesterday about the chemical weapons found in Iraq in 2003/2004, the servicemen who were exposed to mustard gas, and how the locations of the stockpiles are now in ISIS hands.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...l-weapons.html
    I not only saw the link posted here but responded to it it.

    Do you realize how absurd your argument is? We were told that we had to invade Iraq because Saddam had wmds. Could result in a big atomic mushroom cloud I seem to remember Dick Cheney saying. But the truth is there was no nuclear threat and the irony is our troops wouldn't have been exposed to the degraded chemical munitions if they hadn't been there.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Well that happens no matter what party....

    Noooooo!

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    From Post 101.....They even allowed these Nurses to go and treat others. Knowing Protocols were not in place.


    Deborah Burger of National Nurses United, who convened a conference call with reporters to relay what she said were concerns of nurses at the hospital, said they were forced to use medical tape to secure openings in their flimsy garments and worried that their necks and heads were exposed as they cared for Duncan. RoseAnn DeMoro, executive director of Nurses United, said the statement came from "several" and "a few" nurses, but she refused repeated inquiries to state how many. She said the organization had vetted the claims, and that the nurses cited were in a position to know what had occurred at the hospital. She did not specify whether they were among the nurses caring for Duncan.

    The nurses allege that his lab samples were allowed to travel through the hospital's pneumatic tubes, possibly risking contaminating of the specimen-delivery system. They also said that hazardous waste was allowed to pile up to the ceiling. The nurses' statement said they had to "interact with Mr. Duncan with whatever protective equipment was available," even as he produced "a lot of contagious fluids." Duncan's medical records underscore that concern. They also say nurses treating Duncan were also caring for other patients in the hospital and that, in the face of constantly shifting guidelines, they were allowed to follow whichever ones they chose. When Ebola was suspected but unconfirmed, a doctor wrote that use of disposable shoe covers should also be considered. At that point, by all protocols, shoe covers should have been mandatory to prevent anyone from tracking contagious body fluids around the hospital.....snip~
    Damn, it keeps getting worse and worse as more facts come out! :

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, MMC.

    I think Freiden may be getting a bit of a bad rap here. He reports to Obama, who appointed him to the job he holds. When Obama is saying one thing, is it unusual that his underlings carry the same message? To do otherwise could be calling your boss a liar, and no employee with any sense does that, especially if your boss is the POTUS! It's called being a team player.

    I don't understand why Obama has taken the stand on Ebola that he has, knowing that people are dying in West Africa from Ebola, but Frieden is a doctor, and Obama is not - Frieden should be making the decisions on Ebola, not Obama!. As more and more mistakes come to light on how this is being handled, stories out of DC are changing, and that makes people uneasy. If Friedman is inept, replace him, but don't blame him if his hands are tied because of politics! Just saying.....


    I disagree Lady P.....he is the Head of the CDC. He should have been on top of things from the get go. Starting with sending a Team to Dallas ASAP. Issuning no travel protocols to those working with anyone infected until they cleared.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Notice I also stated that if the news story is accurate, the CDC also has work to do (beyond what has been a suboptimal PR approach to date). IMO, the best approach is to let the facts come out and drive decision making.

    Moreover, the early issues that have arisen highlight that the U.S. has at least a degree of vulnerability to significant health system shocks, whether they arise from epidemics/pandemics or even biological weapons. The early handling of the Ebola situation has demonstrated gaps in preparedness, training, and equipment.
    The fact is that this nurse called the CDC before she boarded the flight, and someone told her she wss clear to fly.

    Does that sound prudent to you?
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