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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I'm not sure that firing Dr. Frieden would be appropriate or necessary. I do think the CDC needs to look at its own response to assure that slip-ups as occurred in this case don't recur.

    The President should also appoint a Surgeon General to also play a leading role in the government's response to Ebola. I realize that there is a nominee, but that nominee has faced confirmation issues. If necessary, the President should appoint, a respected former Surgeon General. On the Surgeon General issue, CNN had a decent editorial:

    Ebola scare: We need a surgeon general (opinion) - CNN.com

    There is no way he can stay.....he admitted that the CDC should have sent a response Team to Dallas after they found out Duncan had become infected. He was Right....what he didn't explain. Is why they didn't? You need to read what the Dallas Nurses reported. Which Freiden knew but wasn't saying anything.

    Then he came back with that.....now he was thinking of sending any infected to one of the 4 Hospitals that can deal with this from arrival.

    What about the Former head of the CDC? I seen that CNN was propping up Sanjay Gupta again.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I don't have issues with reporting on the situation. But the reporting should stick strictly with the facts and avoid speculation. At the same time, media stories should provide key information e.g., on how the virus is spread, because many Americans don't know that it is not transmitted airborne unlike, for example, influenza. Hence, many assume that the 132 passengers and flight crew are at genuine risk of contracting Ebola. In fact, the risk is probably extremely to very low given how the virus is spread. Additional cases are more likely among the health care workers who treated the Ebola patient in Dallas given the initial lack of adequate equipment and training to deal with such cases.

    They have been.....they reported what Freiden is saying. Which the CDC was saying breach.....but now they can't find it. So that would worry people IMO.

    There is now a dispute about truthfully being airborne with sneezing. With a range and droplets of moisture. I believe Grip had put up.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    [COLOR="#800000"]There is no way he can stay.....he admitted that the CDC should have sent a response Team to Dallas after they found out Duncan had become infected. He was Right....what he didn't explain. Is why they didn't?
    If the U.S. starts witnessing person-to-person transmission beyond the Dallas health care workers and those with whom they had contact, then he will almost certainly be replaced at some point.

    I'm not sure about the exact reasons such a team wasn't sent. However, I suspect that it is part of a larger problem that has plagued the U.S. government in recent years: a lack of strategy for such circumstances on account of a lack of contingency planning. While this problem doesn't garner the headlines the seemingly endless Republican-Democratic clashes receive, it is a significant problem that has hobbled U.S. domestic, foreign, and military policy, leaving the U.S. behind the curve of events and having to scramble to catch up. IMO, President Obama (and if he doesn't, his successor) should create a crisis working group containing such people as the Secretary of State, National Security Adviser, Secretary of Defense, etc. That group would be charged with identifying the major risks the U.S. could confront within the next 10 years. Afterward, each of the major departments would be charged with developing a strategy for such events and scenarios that could arise.

    Even if one might not have expected Ebola to move into the U.S., the threat of a possible viral outbreak (be it from natural or manmade origins e.g., a biological weapons attack) has been in the mix of widely discussed possibilities. Logical "what if" questions would concern the type of pathogen: anthrax (used in the past), small pox (rumored), bio-engineered influenza, etc., tropical diseases (often brought up in the climate change debate), each of which would require a response.

    The same holds true for foreign policy. With respect to Syria, the risks associated with a decaying authoritarian regime were not novel. One has witnessed the consequences of such decay in post-Tito Yugoslavia, post-Assad Iraq, Lebanon, etc. Syria is, as U.S. Ambassador to Syria Richard Murphy put it in 1976, "a patchwork quilt of small groups." Moreover, these groups have had major differences. At the same time, there were also radical Islamist elements devoted to toppling any kind of secular order present. Syria was a proverbial powder keg. Yet, when the protest movement was shoved aside by armed elements, the U.S. naively assumed that the democratic protest movement (almost certainly a minority among the overall population) had transitioned into armed democratic uprising. Notable former U.S. statesmen ranging from Brent Scowcroft to Henry Kissinger urged extreme caution in making such a diagnosis. As Kissinger later noted in his World Order, among those who took up arms, "few elements...could be described as democratic, much less moderate." Yet, U.S. policy was based on the false assumption of a democratic and moderate uprising. Rather than merely condemning the Assad dictatorship for its brutality, the U.S. boxed itself into a strategic lockbox by calling for regime change. Now it has less strategic flexibility than might otherwise have been the case, even as the deepening power vacuum was filled by the increasingly extreme elements such as ISIS.

    You need to read what the Dallas Nurses reported. Which Freiden knew but wasn't saying anything.
    There are differences between the nurses union's account and what the hospital has said. The matter needs to be examined.

    What about the Former head of the CDC? I seen that CNN was propping up Sanjay Gupta again.
    Given his public role on CNN, I suspect the position of Surgeon General might be a better fit for him. I'm not sure that Dr. Gupta has the management experience to run a large entity like CDC. The CEO or COO of a leading hospital or medical research institution would probably be better prepared to run the CDC.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    .....they reported what Freiden is saying. Which the CDC was saying breach.....but now they can't find it.
    On the communication front, Frieden should never have charged a "breach of protocol" without having the facts. What one knows at this point is that the hospital lacked full body protective suits and had less than adequate training to deal with Ebola. Those are very different matters. As noted previously, Frieden and others should stick strictly to the facts. If one doesn't know, then state that the situation will be examined. Don't make statements that one cannot support.

    The kind of media coverage I'm concerned about is wild speculation and sensationalism that has occurred in cases. Stories that the Ebola virus might spread via airborne transmission, mentioning that people are boarding planes with surgical masks and latex gloves, etc., are some examples This coverage provides no useful information on Ebola. It does feed possible hysteria.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Derp View Post
    Flu vaccination is overrated.
    Sure is considering it is for a different strain of flu the previous year.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    No, that just means the political media is making it out to be far more an issue than it really is.

    Do you know just how many Americans died last flu season from the flu with healthcare?
    Do you know just how many Africans died of Ebola without healthcare this epidemic?

    Hint: One is bigger than the other and it's the opposite of what raging partisans think it is.
    That makes sense until you realize that the flu mostly kills the elderly and unhealthy. The flu doesn't kill 50 to 90 percent of its victims regardless of their age or fitness like Ebola does.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Right and Obama said it was highly unlikely that ebola would come here, too.

    Whatever Liberals say, you can bet the opposite is reality. Hell, it turns out there were WMD in Iraq, afterall...lol!
    Sure their were. Whatever you say. I 'll take your word for it.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Then what do you propose?
    Not yelling fire, fire, would be a good start.

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    There is no way he can stay.....he admitted that the CDC should have sent a response Team to Dallas after they found out Duncan had become infected. He was Right....what he didn't explain. Is why they didn't? You need to read what the Dallas Nurses reported. Which Freiden knew but wasn't saying anything.

    Then he came back with that.....now he was thinking of sending any infected to one of the 4 Hospitals that can deal with this from arrival.

    What about the Former head of the CDC? I seen that CNN was propping up Sanjay Gupta again.
    Greetings, MMC.

    I think Freiden may be getting a bit of a bad rap here. He reports to Obama, who appointed him to the job he holds. When Obama is saying one thing, is it unusual that his underlings carry the same message? To do otherwise could be calling your boss a liar, and no employee with any sense does that, especially if your boss is the POTUS! It's called being a team player.

    I don't understand why Obama has taken the stand on Ebola that he has, knowing that people are dying in West Africa from Ebola, but Frieden is a doctor, and Obama is not - Frieden should be making the decisions on Ebola, not Obama!. As more and more mistakes come to light on how this is being handled, stories out of DC are changing, and that makes people uneasy. If Friedman is inept, replace him, but don't blame him if his hands are tied because of politics! Just saying.....

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    Re: SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    This is what happens when left wing ideologues are put into positions of power-both in the white house and the CDC.
    And this is how a right wing partisan hack jumps on the lets blame the left for everything wagon.

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