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    Re: Appeals court reinstates Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Obviously, it is a real world problem. I posted evidence of such.
    I think you're just being stubborn. I don't think you really believe that 1 example in 10 years constitutes a real-world problem that can be solved with voter ID laws. If anything, the data you posted should make it clear to you and anyone else who reads it that voter ID laws are a solution in search of a problem.

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    Re: Appeals court reinstates Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why are you trippin', then? Jus' 'cause??
    What you posted:

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    Yeah, the ID I use to buy a gun? I paid for that mother****er!
    You were referring to paid IDs, the obvious implication being that if you had to pay for an ID to buy a gun, others should have to pay for an ID to vote. I explained why that was unconstitutional.
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    Re: Appeals court reinstates Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    I think you're just being stubborn. I don't think you really believe that 1 example in 10 years constitutes a real-world problem that can be solved with voter ID laws. If anything, the data you posted should make it clear to you and anyone else who reads it that voter ID laws are a solution in search of a problem.
    Did you read the link I posted?
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    Re: Appeals court reinstates Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Did you read the link I posted?
    I was wondering if you just stopped reading your source when you saw a big number so I broke it down all nice and neat for you the first time. Out of 10 years of data there was a grand total of 1 person who committed voter impersonation in Texas. So once you're done flogging that dead horse we can move on to how effective a voter ID law would be in stopping that 1 person from doing what she did in the future.

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    Re: Appeals court reinstates Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It's never about reluctance to prove one's identity. It's about one's ability to obtain the paperwork, which is more expensive and time consuming than conservatives are willing to admit. If these laws came with a method for providing ID cards, at no cost, to all voters, then liberals would probably get behind them. We're not at all opposed to making sure that votes are cast legally. We're opposed to people being turned away from the polls on election day and not getting to vote at all. We're opposed to putting any extra burdens on lawful voting.



    It's probably because voting and gun ownership are different things, and different things are treated differently and have different levels of constitutional protection. One has nothing to do with the other.
    Greetings, Paschendale.

    What argument is being used in those states that provide the ID at no cost? I have also read that the Absentee Ballot is where most fraud is detected.

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    Re: Appeals court reinstates Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    What you posted:



    You were referring to paid IDs, the obvious implication being that if you had to pay for an ID to buy a gun, others should have to pay for an ID to vote. I explained why that was unconstitutional.
    The IDs are free and will even be delivered to your residence if you request it.
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    Re: Appeals court reinstates Texas voter ID law

    My stance on voting remains as it's been for some time.

    Federally issued Photo ID needed to vote.

    Provide basic photo identification free of charge to those with a valid Social Security Card, Birth Certificate, or other generally accepted governmental form verifying identity as a legal citizen.

    As a compromise, cut the amount of money needed to budget for such a thing (Which should be nominal in the grand scope of the federal budget) from the DOD's budget.

    Absentee voting is allowed for those provably out of the county due to military or educational responsibilities. Absentee ballots can be submitted up to a week before the election.

    Early voting starts a week before and no earlier. This should give everyone PLENTY of opportunities to vote, while allowing for the vast majority of the campaign to have run it's course.

    Early voting numbers counted at the conclusion of each day with the voting totals being made known to the public.

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    Re: Appeals court reinstates Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Paschendale.

    What argument is being used in those states that provide the ID at no cost? I have also read that the Absentee Ballot is where most fraud is detected.
    The vast majority of fraudulent actions in elections come from those running the polls, not from any voters. If one is really interested in protecting the integrity of elections, that's where we should start.

    Meanwhile, the argument is that those IDs aren't actually free. They require paperwork that isn't free. They require time to obtain, which the poorest among us often don't have. A single mother working three part time jobs, a person we could agree is more in need of government protection than any other adults, often can't spare the time to obtain these documents and go to a DMV or other location to get the ID. Sadly, the poorest also often can't spare the time to go vote, since a person working multiple part time jobs wouldn't have guaranteed time off during the day to vote. It is truly absurd that we hold our elections only on one day and on a weekday no less.

    But I digress. Making voter ID truly free means the government undertaking all costs in getting such a card into every person's hands. This even includes the homeless, who often don't qualify for any forms of ID since they lack an address. No voter ID law has ever undertaken to accomplish this.
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    Re: Appeals court reinstates Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    My stance on voting remains as it's been for some time.

    Federally issued Photo ID needed to vote.

    Provide basic photo identification free of charge to those with a valid Social Security Card, Birth Certificate, or other generally accepted governmental form verifying identity as a legal citizen.

    As a compromise, cut the amount of money needed to budget for such a thing (Which should be nominal in the grand scope of the federal budget) from the DOD's budget.

    Absentee voting is allowed for those provably out of the county due to military or educational responsibilities. Absentee ballots can be submitted up to a week before the election.

    Early voting starts a week before and no earlier. This should give everyone PLENTY of opportunities to vote, while allowing for the vast majority of the campaign to have run it's course.

    Early voting numbers counted at the conclusion of each day with the voting totals being made known to the public.
    I'm pretty much fine with this.
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    Re: Appeals court reinstates Texas voter ID law

    I'm sorry but this is all rather stupid. Y'all are all apoplectic over one person/one vote but corporations and big money get to buy the elected official. It matters little who gets to vote when corporations and big money can and do buy elections. I'm talking Democrats and Republicans.

    BIG BUCKS from God knows where fund political campaigns. It works! Think about that people. Spending millions and millions on a particular candidate's campaign is very effective. Does anyone disagree? Corporations don't have to vote, the 1% don't have to vote, they simply dump millions into an election to greatly insure favorable odds and in doing so they buy the person elected. This isn't rocket science, but it seems to me that one hell of a lot of you are all worried about the illegal Mexican vote when it is campaign financing that most often determines elections and most often buys the politician.

    It is a bit ironic that Republicans are the ones primarily concerned with voter identification, yet it is also Republicans who are primarily unsupportive of campaign finance reform. Make sure the illegals don't vote, but don't worry about who buys the election. WTF?

    Recently all of the GOP members of the Senate voted against a Constitutional amendment that proposed:

    Section 1 –

    “To advance democratic self-government and political equality, and to protect the integrity of government and the electoral process, Congress and the States may regulate and set reasonable limits on the raising and spending of money by candidates and others to influence elections.”


    Section 2 –

    “Congress and the States shall have power to implement and enforce this article by appropriate legislation, and may distinguish between natural persons and corporations or other artificial entities created by law, including by prohibiting such entities from spending money to influence elections.”


    Section 3 –

    “Nothing in this article shall be construed to grant Congress or the States the power to abridge the freedom of the press.”
    But, by God, there had better not be anybody voting that shouldn't vote.
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