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    Re: Appeals court reinstates Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It is a stretch. Pushing the envelope so to speak. I would say it is not a direct poll tax as one would imagine or studied poll taxes to be. Although it may be an indirect poll tax. I never thought of it as a poll tax either. But in Lawyerese it probably is. Trouble is I do not speak Lawyerese.
    The 24th Amendment:

    Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

    Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

    Voter ID proving citizenship status would then be appropriate legislation.
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    Re: Appeals court reinstates Texas voter ID law

    Texas....



    Wisconsin.....



    Keeping people from the polls is probably what keeps the fraudsters in office.
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    Re: Appeals court reinstates Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Utility Man View Post
    Texas....



    Wisconsin.....



    Keeping people from the polls is probably what keeps the fraudsters in office.


    Chicago, Detroit, pretty much all of California....

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    Re: Appeals court reinstates Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    OK, so rebut it.

    Does the 24th Amendment bar poll taxes? Yes.

    What is a poll tax? Attaching a cost to the franchise of voting.

    Is requiring an ID that must be paid for in order to vote attaching a cost to the franchise of voting? Yes.

    Looks pretty airtight to me.
    Not at all airtight. There can be costs attached to voting that are not considered poll taxes (e.g. gas money, bus fare, postage, etc.) - so the argument doesn't support your conclusion.

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    Re: Appeals court reinstates Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    This is a great opportunity to point out how useless these laws are. So, there were 616 allegations over a period of ten years. Of those, 78 were found to have possible merit and were referred for prosecution. Of those, 46 were deemed to be bonafide cases of election-code violations. Of those, 18 were committed by a person as opposed to organizations, campaigns, and such. Of those, there were only 2 cases involving voter impersonation and both were committed by the SAME person and in one election. So...you're saying that the entire population of Texas must purchase an ID to vote because one person, who's name is Mary Comparin btw, pretended to be two different people in the 2008 general election? And somehow you find that reasonable?
    You claimed they were totally non-existent. I proved otherwise.
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    Re: Appeals court reinstates Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Explicitly bars poll taxes. Your weak attempt at deflection has been duly noted and summarily dismissed.
    If ID's are free, there is nothing even close to a tax. Unless, something free is now classified as a tax. Is it?
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    Re: Appeals court reinstates Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You claimed they were totally non-existent. I proved otherwise.
    No, I asked if this was a real-world problem in Texas. I don't consider 1 example scrounged from 10 years worth of data to be proof of a real-world problem. Its certainly not the horde of election-throwing impostors you guys tried to make it out to be.

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    Re: Appeals court reinstates Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If ID's are free, there is nothing even close to a tax. Unless, something free is now classified as a tax. Is it?
    What I actually posted.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    That's nice.

    Charging for an ID and then requiring that ID to vote is a poll tax, which is an explicit violation of the 24th Amendment.
    Obviously, if the ID is free, it doesn't apply here.
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    Re: Appeals court reinstates Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    What I actually posted.



    Obviously, if the ID is free, it doesn't apply here.
    Why are you trippin', then? Jus' 'cause??
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    Re: Appeals court reinstates Texas voter ID law

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    No, I asked if this was a real-world problem in Texas. I don't consider 1 example scrounged from 10 years worth of data to be proof of a real-world problem. Its certainly not the horde of election-throwing impostors you guys tried to make it out to be.
    Obviously, it is a real world problem. I posted evidence of such.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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