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    Re: Houston Mayor orders pastors to turn over sermons about gays, gender and... the m

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    Amendment IV

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
    That's the 4th Amendment of The Constitution, BTW. I doubt you recognized it.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Houston Mayor orders pastors to turn over sermons about gays, gender and... the m

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    If the government has a case to make, then they can compile evidence themselves. Asking a church, regardless of affiliation or beliefs for documentation of what was said in that church is offensive. How does something said in a church discriminate anyway?
    Greetings, AliHajiShwik.

    She is openly lesbian, and her partner lives with her - but female sexuality is not mentioned in the Bible, to my knowledge. Could this have something to do with the current "marriage rights" that some groups are pushing for? It might be....

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    Re: Houston Mayor orders pastors to turn over sermons about gays, gender and... the m

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
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    That's the 4th Amendment of The Constitution, BTW. I doubt you recognized it.


    Listen, while you are on your high horse, you should shout to our entire court system that they've been doing subpoenas wrong. But yeah, that's just liberal tyranny. Conservatives had no part in developing this country's legal system over the last couple centuries.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Houston Mayor orders pastors to turn over sermons about gays, gender and... the m

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's called, "tyranny". Liberal tyranny, to be more precise.
    Impossible. Only Right Wing Nut Jobs are tyrants. Enlightened Intellectual Liberals are, by definition (theirs) the polar opposite of a tyrant.

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    Re: Houston Mayor orders pastors to turn over sermons about gays, gender and... the m

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Impossible. Only Right Wing Nut Jobs are tyrants. Enlightened Intellectual Liberals are, by definition (theirs) the polar opposite of a tyrant.
    "No conservative judges or lawyers or legislators have ever existed, and that's why no court system in America applies the probable cause test to subpoenas!"

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    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Houston Mayor orders pastors to turn over sermons about gays, gender and... the m

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post


    Listen, while you are on your high horse, you should shout to our entire court system that they've been doing subpoenas wrong. But yeah, that's just liberal tyranny. Conservatives had no part in developing this country's legal system over the last couple centuries.
    Is it a Conservative political lizard imposing tyranny on the local churches, or a Liberal political lizard?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Houston Mayor orders pastors to turn over sermons about gays, gender and... the m

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    I hope the courts rule in favor of the churches. Mainly just subscribing to the thread but also stating which side of the line I am on. I am transgender and support the churches rights to preach what they believe as long as it isnt telling people to go out and hurt other people and the churches shouldnt have to provide their sermons.
    Greetings, Amandi.

    Whatever happened to the separation of State and Church? Can the Church demand that the State produce whatever papers they might like to see?

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    Re: Houston Mayor orders pastors to turn over sermons about gays, gender and... the m

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Is it a Conservative political lizard imposing tyranny on the local churches, or a Liberal political lizard?
    In the case of Houston, a Liberal political lizard. Why she would be interested in what sermons are being preached is interesting...

    Does that also include Muslim mosques? Can't discriminate, you know. This could prove interesting...
    Last edited by polgara; 10-14-14 at 11:59 PM. Reason: Add a paragraph

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    Re: Houston Mayor orders pastors to turn over sermons about gays, gender and... the m

    This will end well.
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    Re: Houston Mayor orders pastors to turn over sermons about gays, gender and... the m

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Amandi.

    Whatever happened to the separation of State and Church? Can the Church demand that the State produce whatever papers they might like to see?
    If the church is suing a local government in a civil case they certainly can demand any public communication via subpoena in the discovery process.
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