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    Re: Houston Mayor orders pastors to turn over sermons, internal communications

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    My hope is the pastors will not comply with the subpoena's and a constitution suit ensues. The pastors I hope will go to jail rather than comply. Sometimes government needs to be called on the mat and who better than the church to push back and say no. If Houston attorney's want information on the sermons, I'm sure they would be welcomed to come Sunday mornings and listen.

    The Mayor is backtracking now .

    Saying she had no idea that the Pastors were going to be targeted and is now blaming the Subpoenas on "pro-bono " attorney's.

    She's a liar. Yesterday she tweeted that these Pastor's were " fair game".

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    Re: Houston Mayor orders pastors to turn over sermons, internal communications

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The Mayor is backtracking now .

    Saying she had no idea that the Pastors were going to be targeted and is now blaming the Subpoenas on "pro-bono " attorney's.

    She's a liar. Yesterday she tweeted that these Pastor's were " fair game".
    Political damage control from the national blow-back...
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Houston Mayor orders pastors to turn over sermons about gays, gender and... the m

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not when the city has the right to know how the signatures were gathered, including while done in churches.

    And as you realize, any concerns of illegality held by the city need to be specific, not blanket

    Face it, the City of Houston took punitive action (rejected signatures) against a dissident group based solely on the vague and unsupported word of a partisan group pre disposed not to like the dissidents. The fact that the targeted dissident group is opposed to the policies near and dear to the City of Houston makes their biased action stink even more. Then, the City goes on a fishing expedition to find the evidence to support their punitive action.

    Here is a lesson for the Mayor of Houston:

    First, evidence is gathered. Second, the evidence is evaluated. Third, if warranted, a punishment is imposed. not
    First punish. Second, sramble to find evidence to "justify" the punishment.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Oh, and the fact that the city didn't sue the group. The group started the court proceedings. So your analogy doesn't fit at all. Plus, the only "punitive action" is the invalidation of the signatures on the petition.
    Aside from non material details, my analogy fits perfectly: I, Cryptic, do not like Planned Parenthood. I"ll make a very vague accusation to Governor Perry and Greg Abbott that they violated an administrative or regualtory rule. Perry and Abbott are also opposed to Planned Parenthood.

    Would it be better for Governor Perry to gather real evidence (other than my vague and unsupported partisan word) before punishing? Or, should they punish first, and then go on a fishing expedition to "justify" it?

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    Re: Houston Mayor orders pastors to turn over sermons about gays, gender and... the m

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, AliHajiShwik.

    She is openly lesbian, and her partner lives with her - but female sexuality is not mentioned in the Bible, to my knowledge.
    Romans 1:26

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    Re: Houston Mayor orders pastors to turn over sermons about gays, gender and... the m

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    The funny thing about this is that this is the first time I have ever heard a pastor say he doesn't want people to know the content of his sermons.
    I always say that the congregation has forgotten them by Tuesday and I have forgotten them by Wednesday.

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    Re: Houston Mayor orders pastors to turn over sermons about gays, gender and... the m

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    My hope is the pastors will not comply with the subpoena's and a constitution suit ensues. The pastors I hope will go to jail rather than comply.
    I keep telling these people who want to revoke the Church's tax exempt status: do that and you are going to get more of this in spades, and there won't be a damn thing you can do about it. They will be able to talk about anything they want.

    If Houston attorney's want information on the sermons, I'm sure they would be welcomed to come Sunday mornings and listen.
    Can I hear an "amen"?

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    Re: Houston Mayor orders pastors to turn over sermons about gays, gender and... the m

    Quote Originally Posted by Ceist View Post
    And you are still making up hysterical shyte.
    Prove it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Houston Mayor orders pastors to turn over sermons about gays, gender and... the m

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    You think that Houston has mistreated gay people?!
    Houston might not have but the state and nation have a history of it. Houston is not an island.

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    Re: Houston Mayor orders pastors to turn over sermons about gays, gender and... the m

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, it isn't. At the most it is being used to gather information to invalidate signatures. Whether the signatures were actually "ill gotten" or not remains to be seen and is for the courts to decide, but it gathering the information has nothing to do with "silencing dissent".
    There's no information for them to gather. How can the sigs be "ill gotten"?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Houston Mayor orders pastors to turn over sermons about gays, gender and... the m

    Quote Originally Posted by it's just me View Post
    Romans 1:26
    Greetings, it's just me.

    Thank you. I stand corrected - and I thought I knew my Bible. My teachers must be disappointed in me!

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