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    Re: Internet caretaker ICANN to escape US control

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    We are Americans and we play well with others when we control the playing field. When we control something we don't like to give it up.

    Your turn: What exactly could China do that they aren't already doing now?
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    Have you read what they do within their own borders, why would I want them to have one iota of influence at a global level?
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    Re: Internet caretaker ICANN to escape US control

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    Internet Censorship in China - Breaking World Internet Censorship News - The New York Times

    Have you read what they do within their own borders, why would I want them to have one iota of influence at a global level?
    I understand fully what they do within their own borders and I don't like it either. I still don't see what this change will do to either help or hurt what happens in China. Has the US Stewardship of the Internet domains fostered or hindered what happens in China? Thus far, I still see this on par with having China participate in the Olympics.

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    Re: Internet caretaker ICANN to escape US control

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I understand fully what they do within their own borders and I don't like it either. I still don't see what this change will do to either help or hurt what happens in China. Has the US Stewardship of the Internet domains fostered or hindered what happens in China? Thus far, I still see this on par with having China participate in the Olympics.
    It may have hindered their influence outside China.
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    Re: Internet caretaker ICANN to escape US control

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Well, when you have at least a few facts, I'm all ears.
    Naming and Addressing on a network means you control the allocation of IP addresses. Without an IP address you aren't on the Internet.

    While yes, you can have a Network Address Translating (NAT) router / rule, and that has some advantages. Your typical home WiFi router consumes 1 IP address from your ISP, and allows many devices to attach to it, all can get to the Internet because of the NAT.

    The number of devices that are connecting to the Internet, between the phones, tablets, stoves and refrigerators, and cars now, etc. etc. the number of unique addresses is running out. It's a 32 bit quantity, so there are a fixed number of values that this can represent, minus, of course, the addresses consumed by the devices that are in fact supporting the network (routers and switches and such in the big cable plants) (Ref: 32-bit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).

    While it's easy to extend the useful IP addresses by segmenting the network at key points (typically ownership scope or national borders) and putting a NAT firewall in (all the devices within a company aren't all using up Internet IP addresses, much for the same NAT reason as above), some are predicting that even with this the IP address space on the Internet is going to run out, and I don't doubt them.

    We've seen how design by committee goes, right? Which is to say not at all well.
    We've seen just how effective the UN is, right? Which is to say not at all well.

    With ICANN going to international control you've just added both of them together to solve a pending problem.

    With this turn over from the US control of ICANN to international control of ICANN, and this looming issue coming on the horizon, I think it right to be concerned that the single greatest human invention might very well fall into disrepair, and the consistent and stringent design and enforcement of the very fundamental addressing that we've enjoyed to date becomes chaotic and uncontrolled.

    And now think of all the trillions of dollars in bank exchanges that now run across the Internet.

    I think we've a right, and are correct, to be concerned.
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    Re: Internet caretaker ICANN to escape US control

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    I don't think the US should lose control of ICANN.
    So the US government should take over a private company or something?
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    Re: Internet caretaker ICANN to escape US control

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    So the US government should take over a private company or something?
    It's contractual.
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