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Poll: Many insured struggle with medical bills

And that was the planned end goal all along. I hope the voters remember all the lies and financial pain caused by liberal lies and manipulation.

Muahahahahaha. Our evil plot to establish a system in America where getting medical care isn't based on how much money you have, where nobody goes bankrupt just because they get sick. Soon, very soon, my friend. AaaaaaaaAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAH *flies away on a skull-shaped jet*
 
Universal healthcare is liberation from debt and fear. And healthier.
 
So if our medical costs have at least doubled in the last couple of years, a fact which our medical group has told us is directly related to mandates of Obamacare, that we have lost doctors, that coverages and service are less than they were, you see that our premiums are some of the cheapest in the nation is a good thing????? That it is unaffordable for a great many New Mexicans so is likely to be even more so for others????

Boy, you sure packed a lot of lies into one paragraph

Medical costs have not doubled, ACA has slowed increases in health care costs, group rates have not doubled, and your post is so dishonest you claim that ACA increased coverage and reduced coverage in the same paragraph.

I suppose you think that should offset the loss of jobs because employers are struggling to stay under 50 employees so they won't be subject to the mandates, or those employers who have seen their group insurance rates double and, if they keep the insurance at all, will of necessity have to reduce wages, raises, and bonuses to help pay for it.

Jobs have increased, group insurance hasn't doubled and empoyers will keep providing insurance or pay the penalties

A full one third of New Mexicans are now insured by Medicaid meaning they aren't paying anything for insurance but the taxpayer is picking up the tab. This has almost doubled since Obamacare went into effect. Add in the folks on Medicare and 50% of New Mexicans are now insured under Medicare or Medicaid. 22% of those who are insured but are not on Medicaid or Medicare are eligible for tax credits. And while accurate numbers are difficult to come by, it is estimated some 15 to 20% of New Mexicans are opting to go without insurance because they cannot afford even the subsidized plans offered by the exchange.

The only taxpayers paying for Medicaid expansion are insurers, medical device suppliers, and people who make more than 250K/yr. ACA did not expand Medicare and the of unisured people in NM has dropped significantly.

IOW, your post is nothing but a repetition of the same old right wing lies.
 
Due to fedetal subsadies. What happens when they go away ?

Nope, not due to federal subsidies.

And dont ignore the large deductables and lack of choice.

This was called "afgordable care act" and its done nothing at all to make care more affordable.

The cost increases for health care have slowed drastically
 
But (enter sarcasm). Medical debt is new. Thanks Obama!

http://www.pnhp.org/new_bankruptcy_study/Bankruptcy-2009.pdf

the only parts of the ACA that i can say are genuinely good are the preexisting conditions part and the ability to stay on your parents' insurance up to age 26. the fact that we left health insurance attached to specific employment and chose to deliver the whole thing through the for profit insurance industry was really disappointing, though. we should have addressed this a long, long time ago. Truman even tried to fix it. should have done it back then.
 
Muahahahahaha. Our evil plot to establish a system in America where getting medical care isn't based on how much money you have, where nobody goes bankrupt just because they get sick. Soon, very soon, my friend. AaaaaaaaAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAH *flies away on a skull-shaped jet*

Ok, that was funny.
 
the only parts of the ACA that i can say are genuinely good are the preexisting conditions part and the ability to stay on your parents' insurance up to age 26. the fact that we left health insurance attached to specific employment and chose to deliver the whole thing through the for profit insurance industry was really disappointing, though. we should have addressed this a long, long time ago. Truman even tried to fix it. should have done it back then.
Yes, I can't understand why it's insisted that health insurance should be through your employer. We don't get car or home insurance through our job, so why health insurance? It makes no sense.
 
Boy, you sure packed a lot of lies into one paragraph

Medical costs have not doubled, ACA has slowed increases in health care costs, group rates have not doubled, and your post is so dishonest you claim that ACA increased coverage and reduced coverage in the same paragraph.



Jobs have increased, group insurance hasn't doubled and empoyers will keep providing insurance or pay the penalties



The only taxpayers paying for Medicaid expansion are insurers, medical device suppliers, and people who make more than 250K/yr. ACA did not expand Medicare and the of unisured people in NM has dropped significantly.

IOW, your post is nothing but a repetition of the same old right wing lies.

As opposed to the lie that you know more about my experience than I do? As opposed to any lack of proof that what I have posted is not the way it is? I live here. I am dealing with it. And until recently I ran a small business that deals with a lot of small businesses who are dealing with it. And you sir, have absolutely nothing other than what appears to be a highly prejudiced and pro-government wish that I don't know what I am talking about.
 
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Tell me how paying ten times as much for less is healthier. The only thing being liberated in the present US system is your cash from your wallet.
 
Tell me how paying ten times as much for less is healthier. The only thing being liberated in the present US system is your cash from your wallet.
Tell me how doubling deductibles, and raising premiums for only 4 choices is "more choice at a lower cost"
 
As opposed to the lie that you know more about my experience than I do? As opposed to any lack of proof that what I have posted is not the way it is?

You've got it backwards. I don't have to prove you're wrong; you made the claim so you have to prove that it's true.
 
You've got it backwards. I don't have to prove you're wrong; you made the claim so you have to prove that it's true.

Well come on to Albuquerque and I'll show you our medical costs for the last few years and introduce you to some folks who might be persuaded to show you theirs. Along with some other very obvious evidence to back up the personal experience that I related. You'll have a hell of a time proving that I lied about my own experience. But you made a whole bunch of claims that I didn't make. So why don't you get busy and find some credible sources to back up your claims? Take your time, though, because I honestly don't care what anybody thinks who accuses somebody of lying when he has no clue about what they have experienced.
 
Well come on to Albuquerque and I'll show you our medical costs for the last few years and introduce you to some folks who might be persuaded to show you theirs.

IOW, you won't back up your claim with proof.

Quelle surprise.
 
IOW, you won't back up your claim with proof.

Quelle surprise.

I offered to back up my claim. Still waiting on you to back up all of yours though.
 
the only parts of the ACA that i can say are genuinely good are the preexisting conditions part and the ability to stay on your parents' insurance up to age 26. the fact that we left health insurance attached to specific employment and chose to deliver the whole thing through the for profit insurance industry was really disappointing, though. we should have addressed this a long, long time ago. Truman even tried to fix it. should have done it back then.

Actually the two things you mentioned are the beauty of the plan. Provisions that are so good that the foot is in the door for eventually a better plan.
 
Actually the two things you mentioned are the beauty of the plan. Provisions that are so good that the foot is in the door for eventually a better plan.

in my opinion, it would have been better to enact a plan that has a chance of working rather than to pass one that will almost certainly fail in hopes that a plan that works might follow. however, admittedly, that isn't how politics works.
 
in my opinion, it would have been better to enact a plan that has a chance of working rather than to pass one that will almost certainly fail in hopes that a plan that works might follow. however, admittedly, that isn't how politics works.

Ain't that the truth. Of course it would have been better. But I am ok with a foot in the door.
 
This just in: people hate paying for things and it's Obama's fault!
 
Actually the two things you mentioned are the beauty of the plan. Provisions that are so good that the foot is in the door for eventually a better plan.

On the other hand, the government could have put together an assigned risk pool for the pre-existing conditions and initiated competition between insurance companies that would have taken care of all those mid 20's folks still living at home for a hell of a lot less money and grief that it has caused uprooting the entire system and implementing a plan almost nobody likes and that won't do what it was promised to do and will most likely fail.
 
Hmmmm....Seems those of us opposed to this disaster of a law said this sort of thing would happen, and oh, look....it is happening...This is making our system worse.

The left could care less-the ACA was about making them feel good, largely as a step to socialized medicine (they think it will be free, and magically better).

The fact that real people are really hurting isn't part of the equation.
 
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