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    Re: Ohio to lose Jeep after all

    One thing the article didn't say is where the manufacturing plant will be located to. Will this be another case of outsourcing?
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    Re: Ohio to lose Jeep after all

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Good lord, horrible idea to make Jeeps out of aluminum. A jeep used for rugged terrain increases cracking potential. That alone should be enough to dissuade this idiotic idea.
    Supposedly the insurance cost for aluminum body paneled vehicles is about 10% higher due to increased repair cost.
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    Re: Ohio to lose Jeep after all

    hope that nobody loses a job over this. not sure about the aluminum thing, but i'm sure that they will take it into account. people really put jeeps through the wringer, so it's going to have to be able to handle that.

    of course, for quite a while, they didn't rust proof the frame, so they do occasionally fail to take something into account. by the time i got my frame redone this past summer, it had rusted enough that it was broken in one place. took a lot of welding. it's rust proofed now, too.

    i wonder where they will move production to. probably a "right to work" state so that they can undercut the union. either way, it's kind of sad. i've invested enough in my own 1998 Wrangler that i doubt i'll ever need to buy another one, though.

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    Re: Ohio to lose Jeep after all

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Well, you should read the article:

    No lost jobs. No jobs going to China. Just can't afford to completely rework an old plant, so going to move one line somewhere else in the US.
    :raises eyebrow:

    Plant Not Shutting Down =/= No Lost Jobs, if they are shifting an assembly line elsewhere, the people who were working on that line presumably aren't going to remain on the rolls to come in every day and do nothing.

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    Re: Ohio to lose Jeep after all

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    :raises eyebrow:

    Plant Not Shutting Down =/= No Lost Jobs, if they are shifting an assembly line elsewhere, the people who were working on that line presumably aren't going to remain on the rolls to come in every day and do nothing.
    If Jeep does do that then the Jeep Renegade would most likely take it's place as it is not currently being built in the US. So if European and US sales of the Renegade are high enough a third plant in the US to make it would be ideal. Especially considering it will be made in Italy and shipped to the US ( a higher cost option)
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    Re: Ohio to lose Jeep after all

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    :raises eyebrow:

    Plant Not Shutting Down =/= No Lost Jobs, if they are shifting an assembly line elsewhere, the people who were working on that line presumably aren't going to remain on the rolls to come in every day and do nothing.
    Should have read the article. Most likely shifting another line in, same workforce, just making something other than a Wrangler. All explained in the source article.
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    Re: Ohio to lose Jeep after all

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Supposedly the insurance cost for aluminum body paneled vehicles is about 10% higher due to increased repair cost.
    Most likely, since oem recommends that any aluminum frame rail/apron be replaced whenever damaged. This has been the case with BMW and Audi for a few years now. So, a rail that would normally be straightened and repaired, now needs to be replaced. Not to mention that the shop has to have a completely separate aluminum work area to prevent contamination. Did I mention that the rails must be glued and riveted, not welded? Oh, and they have to be a certified repair shop, at a cost of around $20k. Yeah, might cost a bit more to insure.
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    Re: Ohio to lose Jeep after all

    Quote Originally Posted by pilot16 View Post
    I was wondering about that as well. I guess they have to because of the new fuel standards. The F-150 will be aluminum as well. Doesn't sound safe does it?
    It can be made safely, and they are more fuel efficient, but there is another issue. Aluminum block engines aren't new. The 1971 Chevy Vega had an aluminum block engine, as did a few other cars of that era. The problem with aluminum blocks is that aluminum has a lower melting point than cast iron. Badly overheat a car that has an aluminum block engine, and the result is a warped engine..... Something as simple as a broken radiator hose can result in a total loss, and it would not be covered by insurance, or even by extended warranties. In addition, due to constant heat caused by friction and the firing of cylinders, cars with aluminum blocks last considerably less longer than cars with cast iron blocks. Typical lifetime of an aluminum block car in the 1970's was about 70k miles. No turning over the odometer in those lemons.
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    Re: Ohio to lose Jeep after all

    Quote Originally Posted by pilot16 View Post
    It seems Romney may have been right about something. Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne surprised everyone by announcing that the Jeep Wrangler would no longer be made in Toledo.

    Toledo Nervously Awaiting Fate of Beloved Jeep - ABC News
    No. Romney campaign ads warned Ohio voters that Jeep was moving its production to China. Of course, it was a stupid, implausible suggestion at the time, but it did scare some Ohio voters until the Romney campaign lie was exposed, likely costing him any chance at the state, and thus any chance at being elected in 2012. Jeep is not now, nor was it ever moving production to China. So Romney is still not right.

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    The article suggests that Wrangler production may be moved elsewhere and will be substantially replaced by Cherokee production and, perhaps another model.

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    Re: Ohio to lose Jeep after all

    Quote Originally Posted by pilot16 View Post
    It seems Romney may have been right about something. Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne surprised everyone by announcing that the Jeep Wrangler would no longer be made in Toledo.

    Toledo Nervously Awaiting Fate of Beloved Jeep - ABC News
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