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Khamenei blames United States, 'wicked' Britain, for creating Islamic State

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hameneiblames United States, 'wicked' Britain, for creating Islamic State
By Michelle Moghtader 10/13/2014

DUBAI (Reuters) - Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah AliKhamenei, on Monday blamed the United States and the "wicked" Britishgovernment for creating the Islamic State in his first speech since undergoingprostate surgery last month.

The sharp remarks were a reminder of Iranian suspicions aboutthe West despite the emergence of the ultra-hardline Sunni militants in Iraqand Syria as the common foe of Tehran and Washington.

"America,Zionism, and especially the veteran expert of spreading divisions - the wickedgovernment of Britain - have sharply increased their efforts of creatingdivisions between the Sunnis and Shi'ites," he said, according to hiswebsite, in a speech marking a Shi'ite Muslim religious holiday
http://news.yahoo.com/khamenei-blames-united-states-wicked-britain-creating-islamic-133212188.html

US messes the world by provokating opposite groups. The ISIS, as well as Al Qaeda, are the assets of the Feds. With these conflicts as justification, US interfere the Mid-East affair and control the oil resource.
 
The ISIS, as well as Al Qaeda, are the assets of the Feds.

Why is this outside the CT subforum?

That the Iranian regime blames the US is not breaking news.

As a side question: Why do you listen to that regime anyway? If you think the US is so corrupt as to create and support terrorists, then what do you think it's like in a ****hole country? You're giving a totalitarian theocracy more credit for telling the truth than a liberal Western democracy? That makes sense. :screwy
 
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US messes the world by provokating opposite groups. The ISIS, as well as Al Qaeda, are the assets of the Feds. With these conflicts as justification, US interfere the Mid-East affair and control the oil resource.

There's a little more to the story. Remember when the U.S. went off the gold standard in the early 70s, and tied the dollar to oil by striking a deal with the king of Saudi Arabia whereby the Saudis would sell their oil only in U.S. dollars in return for protecting their oil fields from potential enemies? Well, by 1975, all of the members of OPEC (Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries) which included Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Venezuela, agreed to sell their oil in U.S. dollars only. As a result, every oil-importing nation in the world was forced to accumulate U.S. dollars in order to buy oil. This created a great demand for dollars, which meant that every oil-importing nation sought to sell their products to the U.S. to acquire the necessary dollars to purchase needed oil. This situation amounted to an oil tax applied to the world by the U.S.

Contrary to what the mainstream media in the U.S. is telling uninformed people concerning the reasons for the invasions of Middle East countries, the real reason has to do with these countries’ decision to either sell their oil in other currencies, or to switch their foreign currency transactions from dollars to euros (Russia and Iran are talking about doing this). It is no coincidence that when Libya decided to dump the dollar, the U.S. responded with an invasion. Syria made a similar decision, and suddenly Assad was a butcher who had to go. Iraq announced their decision to drop the dollar, and was invaded shortly thereafter under the pretext that they were concealing weapons of mass destruction. In 2007, Iran announced that they would nationalize their oil, accepting all currencies. As a result, the U.S. accused them of developing nuclear weapons and wanting to wipe Israel off the map, and then began applying sanctions. They never made such a threat, and sixteen intelligence agencies within the U.S. concluded that they had not been pursuing nuclear weapons capability. At about the same time, Venezuela decided to dump the dollar, and the U.S. declared Hugo Chevez a bad guy who had to go.

To sum it up, war, in the case of the U.S., is expensive to not wage. In 2001, Iraq began selling their oil in the Euro. We invaded. In 2010 Gaddafi proposed a new currency called the Gold Dinar to replace the dollar for oil sales. We bombed the **** out of his country and caused a regime change. Syria moved away from the Dollar in 06 and Iran in 08. That is what this is all about. There are other geopolitical objectives, sure, such as the pipeline that Syria signed with Iran instead of the U.S.- friendly Qatar, but the Petrodollar is the king. It is literally the only reason the dollar and US economy is stable. The entirety of the Western financial elite need the Petrodollar system and they are willing to go to war and kill millions to defend it. Right now, the US Dollar makes up 2/3rds of the worlds global reserve currency. This is because nearly every oil-exporting country in the world exclusively sells their oil in dollars, so nations are forced to hoard large amounts of the dollar.
 
As a side question: Why do you listen to that regime anyway? If you think the US is so corrupt as to create and support terrorists, then what do you think it's like in a ****hole country? You're giving a totalitarian theocracy more credit for telling the truth than a liberal Western democracy? That makes sense. :screwy

I think US is a covert totalitarian with a cheating mask of "democracy". As a matter of fact, US killed much more civilians in Mid-east in name of a none existed "WMD". US creats war by manipulating its asset false flag "Al Qaeda" and "ISIS".

Hi
llaryClinton: “We Created Al Qaeda”. The Protagonists of the “Global War onTerrorism” are the Terrorists
By Prof Michel Chossudovsky

Global Research, June 01, 2013
The following video features Hillary Clintoncandidly acknowledging that America created and funded Al Qaeda as a terroristorganization in the heyday of the Soviet-Afghan war.

What she does not mention is that at no time in thecourse of the last 30 years has the US ceased to support and finance Al Qaedaas a means to destabilizing sovereign countries.
The Global War on Terror (GWOT) is led by the UnitedStates. It is not directed against Al Qaeda.

Quite the opposite: The “Global War on Terrorism”uses Al Qaeda terrorist operatives as their foot soldiers.

“Political Islam” and the imposition of an “Islamic State” (modeled on Qatar or SaudiArabia) is an integral part of US foreign policy.

America is the Terror State.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clinton-we-created-al-qaeda/5337222
 
I'd like to see the full translated speech instead of snippets by Yahoo. Can you link me?

Khamenei is basically right. ISIS and Al Qaeda are U.S. creations, either directly or by proxy. Our foreign policy and tendency to play geopolitics with our globalized conglomerates is why we're in this mess.
 
I think US is a covert totalitarian with a cheating mask of "democracy". As a matter of fact, US killed much more civilians in Mid-east in name of a none existed "WMD". US creats war by manipulating its asset false flag "Al Qaeda" and "ISIS".


Anyone wanna field that? I think we let that punt land where it may.
 
I'd like to see the full translated speech instead of snippets by Yahoo. Can you link me?

Really? You take the word of a nutjob theocratic dictator as a reasonable assessment of what's goin' on? Is there anyone you do NOT trust? Oh, right... the Western world.

Khamenei is basically right. ISIS and Al Qaeda are U.S. creations, either directly or by proxy. Our foreign policy and tendency to play geopolitics with our globalized conglomerates is why we're in this mess.

Yes, the Iranian regime (which funds and otherwise supports Hamas, Hez and terrorists in Africa) is right - it's America's fault.

:screwy


Aloo Matar, dude.
 
I'd like to see the full translated speech instead of snippets by Yahoo. Can you link me?

Khamenei is basically right. ISIS and Al Qaeda are U.S. creations, either directly or by proxy. Our foreign policy and tendency to play geopolitics with our globalized conglomerates is why we're in this mess.

ISIS and al-Qaeda are no more creations of the US than French fries are a creation of France
 
Really? You take the word of a nutjob theocratic dictator as a reasonable assessment of what's goin' on? Is there anyone you do NOT trust? Oh, right... the Western world.

I'm historically versed in the geopolitics of the Middle East, that's why I know that the word of a "nutjob theocratic dictator" is, in this case, correct. Doesn't matter who says it as long as it's the truth.

Can you quote me as saying I don't trust the western world?

Yes, the Iranian regime (which funds and otherwise supports Hamas, Hez and terrorists in Africa) is right - it's America's fault.

Iran has plenty of conflict of interest here, but it doesn't change the fact that the statement is true. Al Qaeda and ISIS are America's fault. The government that Iran has is also America's fault, which makes the statement all the more ironic.
 
I'd like to see the full translated speech instead of snippets by Yahoo. Can you link me?

Khamenei is basically right. ISIS and Al Qaeda are U.S. creations, either directly or by proxy. Our foreign policy and tendency to play geopolitics with our globalized conglomerates is why we're in this mess.

We certainly had a hand in it. I don't think it's right to say that we are entirely to blame. The people actually doing this stuff, the current state of Islamic theology, the global oil market, and many other factors are part of it. But to absolve ourselves entirely is likewise completely off the mark.
 
We certainly had a hand in it. I don't think it's right to say that we are entirely to blame. The people actually doing this stuff, the current state of Islamic theology, the global oil market, and many other factors are part of it. But to absolve ourselves entirely is likewise completely off the mark.

Never said it was entirely our fault either. But every time a major American theatre takes place overseas, it seems like I have spend all my time educating people on basic historical information because they are too busy believing every press release their government makes.

People need to do some research - not even complicated research, just basic. It's like they have their fingers in their ears and are shouting la la la half the time. How many wars is it going to take before the American people wake the hell up?
 
I'm historically versed in the geopolitics of the Middle East, that's why I know that the word of a "nutjob theocratic dictator" is, in this case, correct. Doesn't matter who says it as long as it's the truth.

Can you quote me as saying I don't trust the western world?

Iran has plenty of conflict of interest here, but it doesn't change the fact that the statement is true. Al Qaeda and ISIS are America's fault. The government that Iran has is also America's fault, which makes the statement all the more ironic.

Tell it to the mosque.
 
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US messes the world by provokating opposite groups. The ISIS, as well as Al Qaeda, are the assets of the Feds. With these conflicts as justification, US interfere the Mid-East affair and control the oil resource.

Conspiratorial nonsense not based on a semblance of reality but hey if the head of an authoritarian theocratic regime which murders innocent people and is guilty of numerous crimes against humanity regarding their own civilian population says it then it must be true. :roll:
 
I'm historically versed in the geopolitics of the Middle East, that's why I know that the word of a "nutjob theocratic dictator" is, in this case, correct. Doesn't matter who says it as long as it's the truth.

Can you quote me as saying I don't trust the western world?



Iran has plenty of conflict of interest here, but it doesn't change the fact that the statement is true. Al Qaeda and ISIS are America's fault. The government that Iran has is also America's fault, which makes the statement all the more ironic.

America did not create and is not responsible for AQ or ISIS in any way, shape, or form, in fact America has taken the lead against them and has sacrificed blood and treasure to stop them; whereas, it has been shown that Iran provided them with PFPs in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
I'd like to see the full translated speech instead of snippets by Yahoo. Can you link me?

Khamenei is basically right. ISIS and Al Qaeda are U.S. creations, either directly or by proxy. Our foreign policy and tendency to play geopolitics with our globalized conglomerates is why we're in this mess.

Abject nonsense not based on a shred of evidence, the US never funded, armed, trained, or otherwise aided in the creation of AQ or ISIS. By your logic Iran is responsible for the creation of AQ and ISIS because they exported the Shiite Islamic revolution and the Sunni states countered with the exportation of Wahhabism, Salafism, and Qutbism, if it was not for Iran's tendency to play geopolitics with Shiite Islamist radicalism then the Middle East would not be in this mess. :roll:
 
America did not create and is not responsible for AQ or ISIS in any way, shape, or form, in fact America has taken the lead against them and has sacrificed blood and treasure to stop them; whereas, it has been shown that Iran provided them with PFPs in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

The U.S. armed the Mujahideen with the weapons and expertise to fight the Soviets as part of their proxy war. The Saudis also funded the training.

ISIS is along a similar vein. Most of its top people were former lackies of the CIA. Both the Mujahideen and ISIS members were originally supposed to serve as a buffer against the Soviets and keep Iran in check.

You seriously think that ISIS just appeared out of nowhere, and is able to battle the American army with a bunch of rag tag tribal infantrymen and some former Iraqi soldiers?

Please pick up a book before you choose to make incorrect assertions out of some misguided sense of nationalistic pride. Your government is lying by omission and not very well anymore I might add.
 
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Never said it was entirely our fault either. But every time a major American theatre takes place overseas, it seems like I have spend all my time educating people on basic historical information because they are too busy believing every press release their government makes.

People need to do some research - not even complicated research, just basic. It's like they have their fingers in their ears and are shouting la la la half the time. How many wars is it going to take before the American people wake the hell up?

They should, for starters they could do the basic research that shows that the US being responsible for the creation of AQ during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is a complete myth which has somehow taken hold and become common knowledge even though is absolutely historically false.
 
They should, for starters they could do the basic research that shows that the US being responsible for the creation of AQ during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is a complete myth which has somehow taken hold and become common knowledge even though is absolutely historically false.

"Lalalala I can't hear you!" lol

You can keep claiming it's a lie but it never will be. The U.S. doesn't even deny that it funded Mujahideen, just that it didn't fund ones non-native to Afghanistan. The truth is that it doesn't matter either way, because even if they only trained the native tribalmen, that training would still proliferate outward. You can't just give that expertise and weaponry to a region that has never had it before, and expect it to stay confined to your designated group. Nobody is that bloody stupid in government. They knew what they were doing.

Besides, the Saudi connection is well known, and we all know the U.S. has been in bed with the fascist Saudi regime for decades.
 
The U.S. armed the Mujahideen with the weapons and expertise to fight the Soviets as part of their proxy war. The Saudis also funded the training.

The domestic Afghan mujahadeen which the US did support =/= the foreign jihadists who would go on to form AQ who the US did not support, take your own advice sport and do some basic historical research.

ISIS is along a similar vein. Most of its top people were former lackies of the CIA. Both the Mujahideen and ISIS members were originally supposed to serve as a buffer against the Soviets and keep Iran in check.

Evidence or it didn't happen, FSA =/= ISIS, take your own advice and do some basic historical research.

You seriously think that ISIS just appeared out of nowhere, and is able to battle the American army with a bunch of rag tag tribal infantrymen and some former Iraqi soldiers?

No they did not come out of nowhere they were formed during the 2nd Gulf War as AQ in Iraq, after they were defeated during the surge they fled back across the border to Syria which had been previously allowing them to travel through their borders and into Iraq to fight Coalition forces, during the civil unrest and fighting against Assad he experienced the blowback of ISIS turning on him and ISIS was able to become stronger due to the fact that Obama refused to fund and arm the FSA which ended up with ISIS rather than the FSA obtaining a larger share of recruits during the aforementioned civil war in Syria, and now that they have been able to grow in strength within the power vacuum in Eastern Syria and with the pullout of US forces have filled another power vacuum this time back in Iraq.

Please pick up a book before you choose make incorrect assertions out of some misguided sense of nationalistic pride. Your government is lying by admission and not very well anymore I might add.

You're the one who needs to pick up a book and maybe a newspaper or two because you're spouting historical falsehoods and outright bull****.
 
"Lalalala I can't hear you!" lol

You can keep claiming it's a lie but it never will be. The U.S. doesn't even deny that it funded Mujahideen, just that it didn't fund ones non-native to Afghanistan. The truth is that it doesn't matter either way, because even if they only trained the native tribalmen, that training would still proliferate outward. You can't just give that expertise and weaponry to a region that has never had it before, and expect it to stay confined to your designated group. Nobody is that bloody stupid in government. They knew what they were doing.

Besides, the Saudi connection is well known, and we all know the U.S. has been in bed with the fascist Saudi regime for decades.

You don't even know the difference between the foreign Jihadists who would go on to become AQ and the domestic Afghan Mujahadeen, quite frankly you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

The foundations of AQ were formed in the late 80's in Afghanistan during a meeting of central leadership under the banner of the Maktab al-Khidamat headed and founded by Abdullah Yusuf Azzam, (Osama Bin Laden's mentor who OBL later killed over a policy dispute over where to implement the next Jihad). According to the testimony of Jamal al-Fadl AQ as we know it today was formally established on August 11-20 in 1988 during a meeting of central leadership attended by himself, Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Mohammed Atef, Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, Wael Hamza Julaidan, and Mohammed Loay Bayazid and eight others, none of which were ever assets of the US, none of which were ever funded by, trained by, armed by, or otherwise aided by the US. Get educated.
 
Al Qaeda leader Bin Laden was a CIA asset. IS leader is too.

He works for the interest of US just like what Osama Bin Laden had done. The following news means Baghdadi was recruited by US intelligence when he was in detention. He received four years training to be a false flag infiltrated into extreme Islamists. That’s a tactic Pentagon and CIA used to do.

ISIS Leader in Iraq was Released from U.S. Detention Camp in 2009
June 19, 2014 - 2:27 PM
By Barbara Boland

The leader of the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Shams (ISIS,) Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, was formerly held by the U.S. military at Camp Bucca in southern Iraq from 2005 to his release in 2009.

ISIS Leader in Iraq was Released from U.S. Detention Camp in 2009 | CNS News
 
Anyone wanna field that? I think we let that punt land where it may.

It's probably best to indulge the fantasy. Say he is correct, that it's all a false flag and that you're very well connected to the Shadow Government.
 
Syrian Ambassador Calls ISIS An ‘American Myth’
10/16/2014
The Syrian Ambassador to India claimed that ISIS was an American invention on Wednesday, among other controversial remarks.

“ISIS is an American myth, which gets direct support from Tayyip Erdogan’s [the president] Turkey and is funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar,” according to Ambassador Riad Kamel Abbas. “Al Qaeda appeared in Syria after the US invaded Iraq. Before that there was no al Qaeda in Syria. It is clear that al Qaeda was created by the US and it is supporting ISIS.”

Syrian Ambassador Calls ISIS An
 
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