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    Re: Khamenei blames United States, 'wicked' Britain, for creating Islamic State

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    The U.S. armed the Mujahideen with the weapons and expertise to fight the Soviets as part of their proxy war. The Saudis also funded the training.
    The domestic Afghan mujahadeen which the US did support =/= the foreign jihadists who would go on to form AQ who the US did not support, take your own advice sport and do some basic historical research.

    ISIS is along a similar vein. Most of its top people were former lackies of the CIA. Both the Mujahideen and ISIS members were originally supposed to serve as a buffer against the Soviets and keep Iran in check.
    Evidence or it didn't happen, FSA =/= ISIS, take your own advice and do some basic historical research.

    You seriously think that ISIS just appeared out of nowhere, and is able to battle the American army with a bunch of rag tag tribal infantrymen and some former Iraqi soldiers?
    No they did not come out of nowhere they were formed during the 2nd Gulf War as AQ in Iraq, after they were defeated during the surge they fled back across the border to Syria which had been previously allowing them to travel through their borders and into Iraq to fight Coalition forces, during the civil unrest and fighting against Assad he experienced the blowback of ISIS turning on him and ISIS was able to become stronger due to the fact that Obama refused to fund and arm the FSA which ended up with ISIS rather than the FSA obtaining a larger share of recruits during the aforementioned civil war in Syria, and now that they have been able to grow in strength within the power vacuum in Eastern Syria and with the pullout of US forces have filled another power vacuum this time back in Iraq.

    Please pick up a book before you choose make incorrect assertions out of some misguided sense of nationalistic pride. Your government is lying by admission and not very well anymore I might add.
    You're the one who needs to pick up a book and maybe a newspaper or two because you're spouting historical falsehoods and outright bull****.

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    Re: Khamenei blames United States, 'wicked' Britain, for creating Islamic State

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    "Lalalala I can't hear you!" lol

    You can keep claiming it's a lie but it never will be. The U.S. doesn't even deny that it funded Mujahideen, just that it didn't fund ones non-native to Afghanistan. The truth is that it doesn't matter either way, because even if they only trained the native tribalmen, that training would still proliferate outward. You can't just give that expertise and weaponry to a region that has never had it before, and expect it to stay confined to your designated group. Nobody is that bloody stupid in government. They knew what they were doing.

    Besides, the Saudi connection is well known, and we all know the U.S. has been in bed with the fascist Saudi regime for decades.
    You don't even know the difference between the foreign Jihadists who would go on to become AQ and the domestic Afghan Mujahadeen, quite frankly you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

    The foundations of AQ were formed in the late 80's in Afghanistan during a meeting of central leadership under the banner of the Maktab al-Khidamat headed and founded by Abdullah Yusuf Azzam, (Osama Bin Laden's mentor who OBL later killed over a policy dispute over where to implement the next Jihad). According to the testimony of Jamal al-Fadl AQ as we know it today was formally established on August 11-20 in 1988 during a meeting of central leadership attended by himself, Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Mohammed Atef, Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, Wael Hamza Julaidan, and Mohammed Loay Bayazid and eight others, none of which were ever assets of the US, none of which were ever funded by, trained by, armed by, or otherwise aided by the US. Get educated.

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    Re: Khamenei blames United States, 'wicked' Britain, for creating Islamic State

    Al Qaeda leader Bin Laden was a CIA asset. IS leader is too.

    He works for the interest of US just like what Osama Bin Laden had done. The following news means Baghdadi was recruited by US intelligence when he was in detention. He received four years training to be a false flag infiltrated into extreme Islamists. That’s a tactic Pentagon and CIA used to do.

    ISIS Leader in Iraq was Released from U.S. Detention Camp in 2009
    June 19, 2014 - 2:27 PM
    By Barbara Boland

    The leader of the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Shams (ISIS,) Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, was formerly held by the U.S. military at Camp Bucca in southern Iraq from 2005 to his release in 2009.

    ISIS Leader in Iraq was Released from U.S. Detention Camp in 2009 | CNS News

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    Re: Khamenei blames United States, 'wicked' Britain, for creating Islamic State

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Anyone wanna field that? I think we let that punt land where it may.
    It's probably best to indulge the fantasy. Say he is correct, that it's all a false flag and that you're very well connected to the Shadow Government.
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    Re: Khamenei blames United States, 'wicked' Britain, for creating Islamic State

    Syrian Ambassador Calls ISIS An ‘American Myth’
    10/16/2014
    The Syrian Ambassador to India claimed that ISIS was an American invention on Wednesday, among other controversial remarks.

    “ISIS is an American myth, which gets direct support from Tayyip Erdogan’s [the president] Turkey and is funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar,” according to Ambassador Riad Kamel Abbas. “Al Qaeda appeared in Syria after the US invaded Iraq. Before that there was no al Qaeda in Syria. It is clear that al Qaeda was created by the US and it is supporting ISIS.”

    Syrian Ambassador Calls ISIS An

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    Re: Khamenei blames United States, 'wicked' Britain, for creating Islamic State

    Quote Originally Posted by katsung47 View Post
    Syrian Ambassador Calls ISIS An ‘American Myth’
    10/16/2014
    The Syrian Ambassador to India claimed that ISIS was an American invention on Wednesday, among other controversial remarks. “ISIS is an American myth, which gets direct support from Tayyip Erdogan’s [the president] Turkey and is funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar,” according to Ambassador Riad Kamel Abbas. “Al Qaeda appeared in Syria after the US invaded Iraq. Before that there was no al Qaeda in Syria. It is clear that al Qaeda was created by the US and it is supporting ISIS.” Syrian Ambassador Calls ISIS An
    If ISIS is an American myth, how can the US be supporting ISIS? These are 7th century minds with 21st century technology.

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    Re: Khamenei blames United States, 'wicked' Britain, for creating Islamic State

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Iran has plenty of conflict of interest here, but it doesn't change the fact that the statement is true. Al Qaeda and ISIS are America's fault. The government that Iran has is also America's fault, which makes the statement all the more ironic.
    Yes, America is at fault for every bad thing that happens on the planet. Yawn!

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    Re: Khamenei blames United States, 'wicked' Britain, for creating Islamic State

    Quote Originally Posted by katsung47 View Post
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    US messes the world by provokating opposite groups. The ISIS, as well as Al Qaeda, are the assets of the Feds. With these conflicts as justification, US interfere the Mid-East affair and control the oil resource.
    The global puzzle is much larger than the limited scope addressed in your statement.

    This is not checkers. It's 3D chess.

    Unfortunately, we currently have a President that can't play either.
    Wake Up America!

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    Re: Khamenei blames United States, 'wicked' Britain, for creating Islamic State

    It'll be great when one of these countries take responsibility for the state of their region. It's always someone elses fault.

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    Re: Khamenei blames United States, 'wicked' Britain, for creating Islamic State

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Yes, America is at fault for every bad thing that happens on the planet. Yawn!
    Yet another "Lalala I can't hear you" moment from yet another person who can't face reality.

    No one's saying it's all America's fault. No one's saying it's none of America's fault. Those seem to be the stances that most Americans defer to when faced with information that their government is doing some really heinous stuff in the world.

    Open your eyes and practice discernment. The truth is always somewhere in the middle.

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