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    Re: Khamenei blames United States, 'wicked' Britain, for creating Islamic State

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I'd like to see the full translated speech instead of snippets by Yahoo. Can you link me?

    Khamenei is basically right. ISIS and Al Qaeda are U.S. creations, either directly or by proxy. Our foreign policy and tendency to play geopolitics with our globalized conglomerates is why we're in this mess.
    We certainly had a hand in it. I don't think it's right to say that we are entirely to blame. The people actually doing this stuff, the current state of Islamic theology, the global oil market, and many other factors are part of it. But to absolve ourselves entirely is likewise completely off the mark.
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    Re: Khamenei blames United States, 'wicked' Britain, for creating Islamic State

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    We certainly had a hand in it. I don't think it's right to say that we are entirely to blame. The people actually doing this stuff, the current state of Islamic theology, the global oil market, and many other factors are part of it. But to absolve ourselves entirely is likewise completely off the mark.
    Never said it was entirely our fault either. But every time a major American theatre takes place overseas, it seems like I have spend all my time educating people on basic historical information because they are too busy believing every press release their government makes.

    People need to do some research - not even complicated research, just basic. It's like they have their fingers in their ears and are shouting la la la half the time. How many wars is it going to take before the American people wake the hell up?

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    Re: Khamenei blames United States, 'wicked' Britain, for creating Islamic State

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    How many wars is it going to take before the American people wake the hell up?
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    Re: Khamenei blames United States, 'wicked' Britain, for creating Islamic State

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I'm historically versed in the geopolitics of the Middle East, that's why I know that the word of a "nutjob theocratic dictator" is, in this case, correct. Doesn't matter who says it as long as it's the truth.

    Can you quote me as saying I don't trust the western world?

    Iran has plenty of conflict of interest here, but it doesn't change the fact that the statement is true. Al Qaeda and ISIS are America's fault. The government that Iran has is also America's fault, which makes the statement all the more ironic.
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    Re: Khamenei blames United States, 'wicked' Britain, for creating Islamic State

    Quote Originally Posted by katsung47 View Post
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    US messes the world by provokating opposite groups. The ISIS, as well as Al Qaeda, are the assets of the Feds. With these conflicts as justification, US interfere the Mid-East affair and control the oil resource.
    Conspiratorial nonsense not based on a semblance of reality but hey if the head of an authoritarian theocratic regime which murders innocent people and is guilty of numerous crimes against humanity regarding their own civilian population says it then it must be true.

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    Re: Khamenei blames United States, 'wicked' Britain, for creating Islamic State

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I'm historically versed in the geopolitics of the Middle East, that's why I know that the word of a "nutjob theocratic dictator" is, in this case, correct. Doesn't matter who says it as long as it's the truth.

    Can you quote me as saying I don't trust the western world?



    Iran has plenty of conflict of interest here, but it doesn't change the fact that the statement is true. Al Qaeda and ISIS are America's fault. The government that Iran has is also America's fault, which makes the statement all the more ironic.
    America did not create and is not responsible for AQ or ISIS in any way, shape, or form, in fact America has taken the lead against them and has sacrificed blood and treasure to stop them; whereas, it has been shown that Iran provided them with PFPs in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

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    Re: Khamenei blames United States, 'wicked' Britain, for creating Islamic State

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I'd like to see the full translated speech instead of snippets by Yahoo. Can you link me?

    Khamenei is basically right. ISIS and Al Qaeda are U.S. creations, either directly or by proxy. Our foreign policy and tendency to play geopolitics with our globalized conglomerates is why we're in this mess.
    Abject nonsense not based on a shred of evidence, the US never funded, armed, trained, or otherwise aided in the creation of AQ or ISIS. By your logic Iran is responsible for the creation of AQ and ISIS because they exported the Shiite Islamic revolution and the Sunni states countered with the exportation of Wahhabism, Salafism, and Qutbism, if it was not for Iran's tendency to play geopolitics with Shiite Islamist radicalism then the Middle East would not be in this mess.

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    Re: Khamenei blames United States, 'wicked' Britain, for creating Islamic State

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    America did not create and is not responsible for AQ or ISIS in any way, shape, or form, in fact America has taken the lead against them and has sacrificed blood and treasure to stop them; whereas, it has been shown that Iran provided them with PFPs in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
    The U.S. armed the Mujahideen with the weapons and expertise to fight the Soviets as part of their proxy war. The Saudis also funded the training.

    ISIS is along a similar vein. Most of its top people were former lackies of the CIA. Both the Mujahideen and ISIS members were originally supposed to serve as a buffer against the Soviets and keep Iran in check.

    You seriously think that ISIS just appeared out of nowhere, and is able to battle the American army with a bunch of rag tag tribal infantrymen and some former Iraqi soldiers?

    Please pick up a book before you choose to make incorrect assertions out of some misguided sense of nationalistic pride. Your government is lying by omission and not very well anymore I might add.
    Last edited by Northern Light; 10-14-14 at 11:54 PM. Reason: ack, spelling

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    Re: Khamenei blames United States, 'wicked' Britain, for creating Islamic State

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Never said it was entirely our fault either. But every time a major American theatre takes place overseas, it seems like I have spend all my time educating people on basic historical information because they are too busy believing every press release their government makes.

    People need to do some research - not even complicated research, just basic. It's like they have their fingers in their ears and are shouting la la la half the time. How many wars is it going to take before the American people wake the hell up?
    They should, for starters they could do the basic research that shows that the US being responsible for the creation of AQ during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is a complete myth which has somehow taken hold and become common knowledge even though is absolutely historically false.

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    Re: Khamenei blames United States, 'wicked' Britain, for creating Islamic State

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    They should, for starters they could do the basic research that shows that the US being responsible for the creation of AQ during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is a complete myth which has somehow taken hold and become common knowledge even though is absolutely historically false.
    "Lalalala I can't hear you!" lol

    You can keep claiming it's a lie but it never will be. The U.S. doesn't even deny that it funded Mujahideen, just that it didn't fund ones non-native to Afghanistan. The truth is that it doesn't matter either way, because even if they only trained the native tribalmen, that training would still proliferate outward. You can't just give that expertise and weaponry to a region that has never had it before, and expect it to stay confined to your designated group. Nobody is that bloody stupid in government. They knew what they were doing.

    Besides, the Saudi connection is well known, and we all know the U.S. has been in bed with the fascist Saudi regime for decades.

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