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Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

For everyone you post who makes that claim I can post the same number who don't agree. There are opinions that you want to believe as fact whereas there are other opinions I prefer. Your opinion noted.

Why does it matter? Religion is a choice and it's protected.
 
Equal protection is already in there. If the states have contracts, they cant discriminate against protected classes, like gender. If SSM is illegal, it discriminates against gender in the marriage contract.


Then in the liberal world everything can be tied to the equal protection clause and the states have no rights at all. Marriage is backed by centuries of history and precedence as well as the votes of the people in the states. It is common law, it isn't in the Constitution, and it is up to the people, not the courts to determine what is right in their state. Marriage isn't in the Constitution. You want it there, put it there.
 
Conservative never answered this question:

What language in the constitution makes interracial marriage bans unconstitutional? After all, marriage isn't in the constitution.

Read Loving vs Virginia and get back to us
 
Why does it matter? Religion is a choice and it's protected.

Yes, we have an amendment to the Constitution on Religion. You want one on Marriage? go for it. I will support your effort
 
Read Loving vs Virginia and get back to us

:lamo

I knew you couldn't answer. Because you know that any way you do answer will inevitably bring up the exact same questions about same-sex marriage. Your argument was that marriage isn't in the constitution. I agree. It's not. You know what also is not in the 14th amendment? Race.

But hey, you don't want to back up your own argument, that's fine. You know full well that "marriage isn't in the constitution" is not enough to deflect the 14th amendment. Because as you just admitted, Loving says otherwise.
 
Why does it matter? Religion is a choice and it's protected.

It is protected to a certain limited degree. There are a lot of theists who think that they can get away with murder so long as it's done in the name of their religion and when anyone points out how wrong that is, they scream religious discrimination.
 
You want a legal relationship create one, oh wait, we have it is called a civil union. Leave decades and centuries of tradition and precedence alone.
Texas Constitution,
Section 32
(a) Marriage in this state shall consist only of the union of one man and one woman.

(b) This state or a political subdivision of this state may not create or recognize any legal status identical or similar to marriage.

(Added Nov. 8, 2005.)​



The discrimination crowd blocked that option in many States where they passed bans on BOTH Civil Unions and Civil Marriages.



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So I guess the will of the people only matters on some issues


What's that got to do with what you said?

You said go out and get a Civil Union, I showed where your State (Texas) like mine (Virginia) doesn't allow Civil Unions. As a registered Republican since 1978 and someone that has been bad mouthed as to my conservative stances on fiscal responsibility, defense, and immigration (I'm more a Goldwater Conservative then a modern Social Authoritarian Conservative) - I voted against the Virginia amendment, how did you vote pertaining to the Texas Amendment?


A decade ago Social Authoritarians voted to enact discriminatory bans for BOTH Civil Marriage AND Civil Unions when they felt they were in a position of power and that public opinion wouldn't shift. Instead of acting to recognize that same-sex couples deserved the same rights, responsibilities, and benefits as different-sex couples and working for a compromise at that time - State level Civil Unions with equal Federal recognition - Ohhhh no. Your side fought for no recognition at all.

Your side took Civil Unions off the table and now same-sex Civil Marriage is winning in the Courts, winning in the legislatures, and winning at the ballot box. Well that came back to bite you in the ass.



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How do you know straight people haven't CHOSEN to become gay? You spout your opinion and that of others as fact when the proof is there is no such thing as born gay or there would be a "gay" gene. People choose to become gay or that at least is the argument you don't want to address. Wonder why?

Frankly someone who is not gay has 0 credibility and no place arguing that it is a choice. I'm gay and can guarantee it's not a choice. Now why should anyone accept your stance instead?

Even not being born with a sexuality, but rather it developing in early life, well before any sexual attraction sets in, would suggest choice has nothing to do with it. Researchers have been able to predict the sexuality of children as young as 4. I suppose 4 year olds choose to be gay?

This also makes no sense because claims of an adult permanently changing their sexuality, despite the pressure to do so, are way too rare. Even heroin addicts claim to kick the habit with greater success.

You clearly don't know jack all about epigenetic research either. Twin studies like in MN revealed that it must be partly genetic. The current leading theory is that hormonal influence while in the womb interacts with genes, so there is no "show me the gay gene," because it's biological but more complicated.
 
Then in the liberal world everything can be tied to the equal protection clause and the states have no rights at all.

exactly, states don't have rights. See: civil war

states have input only at most. You act as if these arbitrary boundaries are where life and culture begins and ends. So one small town on one side of the border will have entirely different views on minority rights than a small town 3 miles away in another state? Give me a break. There's a reason the entire deep south is out of its mind and new england is more liberal. Interaction between the states takes place! If you want to deny that happens, build a wall first
 
Let me know when you figure out what states' rights are and how the courts are destroying the foundation upon which this country was built. You don't seem to get it or understand. If your state votes for SSM so be it, great. If my state votes for SSM no problem. It is a state issue. What part of that don't you understand?
What part of the fact that it is not a states issue do you not understand. The peoples of various states even if mostly ignorant bigots do not get to vote on who and what rights can people enjoy or be denied. It looks like it is you who needs a remedial civics class.
 
How do you know straight people haven't CHOSEN to become gay? You spout your opinion and that of others as fact when the proof is there is no such thing as born gay or there would be a "gay" gene. People choose to become gay or that at least is the argument you don't want to address. Wonder why?

Because I have had a friend of the family who is gay, I was at school with people who happened to be gay. Also, studies kinda show that while it is possible for gay people to live as straight people, this does not make them any less gay, it just makes them choose to live against their nature. Straight men living like gay people is not very likely and the argument just misses all validity IMHO.

Also, there are at least indicators that show that gay brains may be wired a bit different than straight brains.

Homosexuality & Choice: Are Gay People 'Born This Way?'
 
For everyone you post who makes that claim I can post the same number who don't agree. There are opinions that you want to believe as fact whereas there are other opinions I prefer. Your opinion noted.

Are your opinions based on in depth discussions with real live gay people who told you they made a choice?
 
Why does it matter? Religion is a choice and it's protected.

Religion is a choice, gay is a choice.....religion = gay?:lamo
 
Need to have the courts do what you cannot sell the people? You don't have a problem with that?

Apparently 'we' could not sell equal rights for blacks to 'the people' and 'the courts' had to rule that interracial marriage was legal in several states that clearly fought it.
 
Show me the gay gene?

Gay by Genes or by Choice? | National Review Online

You and others try to justify your own decisions by making claims like this. There is no known gay gene

Why do you assume that it is genetic? Have you no better knowlege of reproduction and outcomes? Really?

Many things affect the unborn in the womb....things like the environment, stress, anger, fear...causing the mother to release hormones that, at certain times during gestation, can affect the unborn. Is this a new concept for you?
 
You are going to find very few people believing that not being able to marry is oppression. Wow, project much?

Yeah, only the ones being oppressed! :doh
 
No interest in fighting it. life is full of disappointments so I just live with it. You obviously have lived with it for a long time, get over it and move on

Is this what you teach/taught your kids?

And what if one of them was gay? Would you just tell them, tough luck, no marriage for you and my grandkids will have to be born/live out of wedlock.
 
You lived under the laws of your state for decades and I assume you are old enough to have lived under those laws while of legal age. Now all of a sudden you want the courts to overrule the laws you lived under. Why is that? I call it liberal arrogance and attempts to force your beliefs on others. How typical of liberals

Because it's never too late to do the right thing?

Would you say the same thing to those that grew up in the years of slavery?
 
Attacks on religion continue and will always continue. The Constitution protects freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

It includes freedom from religion because you are not allowed to force your religious beliefs on others.
 
YOU move to a country that doesn't allow it, since it will be legal in all 50 states very soon. It's all over but the crying

I wonder how many people moved out of the US to find more 'freedom' when they finally ended segregation, ensured interracial marriage, and really dealt the death blows to Jim Crow?

(Heh, I'd guess....none).
 
Then in the liberal world everything can be tied to the equal protection clause and the states have no rights at all. Marriage is backed by centuries of history and precedence as well as the votes of the people in the states. It is common law, it isn't in the Constitution, and it is up to the people, not the courts to determine what is right in their state. Marriage isn't in the Constitution. You want it there, put it there.

Slavery was a tradition and backed by centuries of of history too. As was keeping women 2nd class citizens.

We should be learning from history, not repeating it.

I dont want marriage in the Const and I dont even care if it's a state/fed recognized institution. I do care about discrimination tho, big time. And not allowing gays to marry is a) discrimination and b) counter productive to society.

Because gays and their families arent going away, no matter what you call them. And the children in these families ALL benefit from the legal protections and other benefits accorded to marriage in America.
 
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