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Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

WorldWatcher said:
There is no need to because the States Amended their Constitution and revised Statutory law, it has nothing to do with Common Law. Hell the vast majority of states don't allow for common law marriage anymore.


The States enacted Amendment and Statutory laws, you were backed into a corner and are now trying to deflect.



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19 states authorize gay marriage, only 31 more to go, go for it. This is really a slippery slope and violates the country the founders created, a small limited central govt. This is a state issue, what next on the leftwing agenda to destroy states' rights?
 
Deuce said:
Soon as you show me where it says the 14th amendment only applies to "laws in the constitution."

The premise of your query is rejected. By me and the Supreme Court.
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Must have missed where the SC ruled on SSM, wonder why they haven't done that?
 
Conservative said:
Discriminate against whom? You want gays to be a class of citizens? Wrong, being gay is a personal choice and personal choice isn't a civil right. 19 states recognize gay marriage, now you only have 31 more to go, go for it
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People chose to be gay?

Have you "gulp" ever talked to gay people in real life?
 
Conservative said:
Discriminate against whom? You want gays to be a class of citizens? Wrong, being gay is a personal choice and personal choice isn't a civil right. 19 states recognize gay marriage, now you only have 31 more to go, go for it
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Well, no. Being gay isn't a "personal choice" any more than you being straight was a "personal choice."
 
Conservative said:
Yes, sure have. A chosen lifestyle isn't a civil right, it is personal choice.
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People do not choose to be gay, they are gay. Nobody chooses for a life of discrimination, recrimination, abuse, often violence (physical or emotional) and exclusion for the hell of it, they do not choose to be gay at all.
 
JasperL said:
Well, no. Being gay isn't a "personal choice" any more than you being straight was a "personal choice."
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For everyone you post who makes that claim I can post the same number who don't agree. There are opinions that you want to believe as fact whereas there are other opinions I prefer. Your opinion noted.
 
Peter King said:
People do not choose to be gay, they are gay. Nobody chooses for a life of discrimination, recrimination, abuse, often violence (physical or emotional) and exclusion for the hell of it, they do not choose to be gay at all.
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Your opinion noted. You choose to be discriminated against if SSM is your issue. You have a choice, move to a state that allows it.
 
Conservative said:
A chosen lifestyle isn't a civil right, it is personal choice.
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See this here, shows this isn't about the constitution, its about your personal prejudices.

Being gay isn't a choice and there is no such thing as the "Homosexual Lifestyle".

Your desire to deny gays equal rights is based on nothing more than your own personal prejudices and that's exactly why you will fail.
 
Conservative said:
Your opinion noted. You choose to be discriminated against if SSM is your issue. You have a choice, move to a state that allows it.
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No, you are being discriminated against, you do not choose to be discriminated against. It is not their fault that discrimination has been the norm for decades/centuries.

And on, you should not have to move to appease the discriminators.
 
Conservative said:
I have had my ass kicked many times but never by you. The Constitution was written by our Founders who understood, unlike you, that too much power at the central level is no better than what they had in England thus they listed those powers in that Constitution. Equal protection and the 14th Amendment apply to the Constitution. You want marriage in the Constitution, then go for it
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Sorry have trouble reading:

"Amendment XIV
Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."​


1. The founders didn't pass the 14th Amendment, that was done later.

2. The 14th Amendment applies to "State law" as it specifically says.

3. If you want to ban Civil Marriage for homosexuals the responsibility is on your to pass an amendment (one that has already failed multple times), no amendment is needed to require due process and equal protection under the law - that one was passed 146 years ago.




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Conservative said:
19 states authorize gay marriage, only 31 more to go, go for it. This is really a slippery slope and violates the country the founders created, a small limited central govt. This is a state issue, what next on the leftwing agenda to destroy states' rights?
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Actually I think it's 30 states that now have same-sex marriage, only 20 more to go.



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Jetboogieman said:
See this here, shows this isn't about the constitution, its about your personal prejudices.

Being gay isn't a choice and there is no such thing as the "Homosexual Lifestyle".

Your desire to deny gays equal rights is based on nothing more than your own personal prejudices and that's exactly why you will fail.
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Gays have the same rights as I have, they can marry anyone of the opposite sex. You continue to make this a civil rights issue and being gay isn't a civil right just like being straight isn't a civil right. It is a personal choice issue. Now you want gay marriage, sell it to 50 states. What are you afraid of?
 
Peter King said:
No, you are being discriminated against, you do not choose to be discriminated against. It is not their fault that discrimination has been the norm for decades/centuries.

And on, you should not have to move to appease the discriminators.
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You call it discrimination for a personal choice issue, I disagree
 
WorldWatcher said:
Sorry have trouble reading:

"Amendment XIV
Section 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."​


1. The founders didn't pass the 14th Amendment, that was done later.

2. The 14th Amendment applies to "State law" as it specifically says.

3. If you want to ban Civil Marriage for homosexuals the responsibility is on your to pass an amendment (one that has already failed multple times), no amendment is needed to require due process and equal protection under the law - that one was passed 146 years ago.




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The vast majority in my state do not support gay marriage and since marriage is a state issue that is where it resides and TX will not be authorizing same sex marriages. Why would you discriminate against the people of TX?
 
Conservative said:
So what you want is a big central govt. that tells you what that central govt. wants. What is absolute nonsense is the attitude of many on this thread and every other SSM thread. Marriage isn't in the Constitution, it is common law and a state issue thus the Constitution has nothing to do with it. You want marriage in the Constitution, go for it
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Actually, I want a balanced government system, where the most important thing is balancing individual rights to the safety, security, and welfare of the people as a group, society.

I don't need marriage to be in the Constitution. It is protected because of the 9th and 14th Amendments. You can argue against these facts til you are blue in the face, but the SCOTUS has already ruled on marriage several times, defending it as a right.
 
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