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Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

Crovax said:
The word marriage has religious connotations that is why the gays refused to accept civil unions. The act and benefits might be secular but the gays dont want that they want the word
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Gays are already getting married in Churches and have been for about 50 years. If there are "religious connotations" then isn't it discriminatory based on religion to not recognize their religious marriages equally?



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In the immortal words of the late, great Freddie Mercury:

"Another one bites the dust" :lol:
 
Papa bull said:
You keep trying to frame it as an equal rights issue and it isn't.
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No, that's exactly what it is. Just like the stupid prohibitions against inter-racial marriage (which still may exist in the South). It's an equal rights issue.
 
AGENT J said:
LMAO
facts, laws, constitution and court cases all disagree with you

remind us what you have supporting you failed, dishonest and destroyed claim that it isn't? please share now, thank you ;)
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Reminder, since you'll post the same drak endlessly - you are wrong. Of that list the only support you have are the court cases and some activist federal justices, law and constitution are not on your side. That's a fact.
 
Wiggen said:
No, that's exactly what it is. Just like the stupid prohibitions against inter-racial marriage (which still may exist in the South). It's an equal rights issue.
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No, and this silly assertion has been debunked many times before in many threads.
 
clownboy said:
No, and this silly assertion has been debunked many times before in many threads.
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Who 'debunked it'? You and other Far Right opponents of equality in marriage? Forgive me if I'm not impressed.
 
clownboy said:
Reminder, since you'll post the same drak endlessly - you are wrong. Of that list the only support you have are the court cases and some activist federal justices, law and constitution are not on your side. That's a fact.
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When anybody says 'that's a fact' while disregarding judicial precedent, you can make damned sure 'it' isn't a fact.
 
Papa bull said:
Thank you for sharing that stupid assumption with me. I'm not religious. You don't have to be religious to acknowledge that the desire to poke a stick in the eye of Christians is one of the primary motivations for homosexuals demanding marriage instead of civil unions. You just have to be honest and willing to call things the way they really are.
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Are you Christian?
 
Crovax said:
What freedom? Gays could already have a ceremony and live happily ever after, they didnt even just want the govt benefits of marriage under a different name (civil union) they wanted to destroy the religious meaning of marriage. Gay marriage is about religious bigotry. If it was the gay civil union movement yall could have won that decades ago.
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Sorry, but your religion, nor any religion owns the word "Marriage"

Get over it, not everyone follows your dogma, you want a theocracy? There are plenty in the middle east....oh wait, different dogma...sucks to be you.
 
Crovax said:
The word marriage has religious connotations that is why the gays refused to accept civil unions. The act and benefits might be secular but the gays dont want that they want the word
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So, athiests that don't believe in your god, or any god, can't get "married?" Sorry, religion doesn't own marriage.
 
Papa bull said:
I brought it up because it was pertinent to the fact that this was never really a battle over equal rights because it was one that could have been won easily a decade or so ago. I know for a fact that the political leaders of the homosexual movement sacrificed the "rights" many homosexuals would have enjoyed by rejecting civil unions and holding out for homosexual marriage or nothing. What they had to lose was obvious (the rights they were trying to pretend it was really about) and what they had to gain by doing so was equally obvious: a broad smack-down to Christians who thought of marriage as a "religious union" and the opportunity to declare that homosexuality was just as normal as heterosexuality. Clearly the actual rights weren't the important thing.
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Ah, so blacks should have been satisfied with being "separate but equal" too, huh? :roll:
 
Wiggen said:
Who 'debunked it'? You and other Far Right opponents of equality in marriage? Forgive me if I'm not impressed.
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It's been a debunked concept since the very first thread on homosexual marriage here., and if you think I'm far right you've got quite a bit more learning to do. :lamo
 
beefheart said:
So, athiests that don't believe in your god, or any god, can't get "married?" Sorry, religion doesn't own marriage.
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In fact, religious marriage ceremonies are wholly irrelevant. You can walk down all of the aisles in all of the churches you want, you're not actually married until you get that piece of paper from the state. Religious marriage is pointless.
 
Papa bull said:
It doesn't have to impact my life directly in order for it to matter. It impacts my SOCIETY. It impacts my state taxes. It impacts our court systems. It is not something my state needs or wants because my state doesn't consider homosexual unions to be the fundamental building block of society that it feels needs to be endorsed, encouraged and supported. I think it is quite reasonable enough that the state does not consider homosexuality to be a criminal behavior and does not interfere with people living with or having sex with whomever they choose. Homosexuals may enjoy their homosexual relationships without interference from the state - but also without the state's blessing. I know it's just awful that all the homosexuals in Ohio can't say "we're just as normal as heterosexuals" but our state just isn't interested in perpetuating that lie.
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Spoken like a true Socially Conservative Authoritarian.
 
clownboy said:
Reminder, since you'll post the same drak endlessly - you are wrong. Of that list the only support you have are the court cases and some activist federal justices, law and constitution are not on your side. That's a fact.
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thats my favorite strawman "rogue", "activist", etc judges" LMAO
nobody educated, honest and objective believes that hyperbolic mentally inept nonsense

Nope, thats just your made up opinions that cant be support because facts, laws, constitution and court cases all prove it wrong :shrug:

remind me what you have on your said besides "nuh-huh"

when you can present one fact to make us ignore all those others somebody might take your failed argument seriously
 
clownboy said:
No, and this silly assertion has been debunked many times before in many threads.
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no ONE time has it been debunked, current court rullings even REFER to it

oh that's right rogue and activist judges lol
 
Wiggen said:
Who 'debunked it'? You and other Far Right opponents of equality in marriage? Forgive me if I'm not impressed.
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nobody has EVER debunked it ;)

they are both about equal rights, that fact wont change
 
Papa bull said:
You don't have to think a lot about homosexuality to recognize it as a deviance. Surely you are more capable of critical thought than that stupid assertion would indicate, aren't you?
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Wow, duck and weave. Your god creates gays, if they are deviant, then god is not perfect, maybe even deviant.

You still have nothing other than you don't like gay people, lots of people didn't like black people, that is why there were laws against interracial marriage.
 
Wiggen said:
When anybody says 'that's a fact' while disregarding judicial precedent, you can make damned sure 'it' isn't a fact.
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ding ding ding ding we have a winner
 
clownboy said:
It's been a debunked concept since the very first thread on homosexual marriage here., and if you think I'm far right you've got quite a bit more learning to do. :lamo
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Again, other than right wing homophobes, who has 'debunked it'? Second request.
 
AGENT J said:
nobody has EVER debunked it ;)

they are both about equal rights, that fact wont change
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As I said, and everyone can see, you'll post this drak endlessly. Still doesn't make it so.
 
clownboy said:
It's been a debunked concept since the very first thread on homosexual marriage here
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repeating this false statement will never make it true, nor will it make the court cases that refer to it magically vanish lol

facts, laws, rights, constitution and court cases > the your opinions
 
AGENT J said:
thats my favorite strawman "rogue", "activist", etc judges" LMAO
nobody educated, honest and objective believes that hyperbolic mentally inept nonsense

Nope, thats just your made up opinions that cant be support because facts, laws, constitution and court cases all prove it wrong :shrug:

remind me what you have on your said besides "nuh-huh"

when you can present one fact to make us ignore all those others somebody might take your failed argument seriously
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It's the favorite refrain of the Right when they keep getting their asses kicked in court over and over and over again.
 
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