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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You seem to believe you know me, have we met?

    The Federal Govt. has authorized equal benefits for same sex partners or did you miss that declaration?

    Same sex partners are not authorized equal benefits. Same as different sex partners are not authorized Federal benefits.


    Spouses (as in Civilly Married) are authorized Federal benefits equally whether they are same-sex or different-sex. Just because two people are sexual partners does not mean they are authorized benefits.



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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

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    So long as they are married. This means that they have to be able to marry in all states in order to get those benefits.

    You have already said that you believed the Loving decision was covered. So what is it? Are you saying that the Loving decision was wrong?
    Loving decision was a black woman wanting to marry a white man which met the requirements of marriage in the state of Va. meaning the union of a man and a woman. You seem to not be able to understand that concept. I would have thought someone who is married to a man would understand the difference between two different sex couples getting married vs. same sex. Would you want your kids to be raised in a family with a same sex couple vs a couple with a man and a woman? Fair question, answer it

    Further one more time, I AM FOR STATES' RIGHTS AND MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE. IF THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE VOTE FOR IT I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. GET IT YET??????

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Same sex partners are not authorized equal benefits. Same as different sex partners are not authorized Federal benefits.


    Spouses (as in Civilly Married) are authorized Federal benefits equally whether they are same-sex or different-sex. Just because two people are sexual partners does not mean they are authorized benefits.



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    Interesting because they were with my company in the state of TX but then again TX doesn't have a state income tax so there wasn't really much difference.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

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    Loving decision was a black woman wanting to marry a white man which met the requirements of marriage in the state of Va. meaning the union of a man and a woman. You seem to not be able to understand that concept. I would have thought someone who is married to a man would understand the difference between two different sex couples getting married vs. same sex. Would you want your kids to be raised in a family with a same sex couple vs a couple with a man and a woman? Fair question, answer it

    Further one more time, I AM FOR STATES' RIGHTS AND MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE. IF THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE VOTE FOR IT I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. GET IT YET??????
    Your contention was that marriage is a states' rights issue and not found in the US Constitution. You are the one who doesn't "get it". Your arguments contradict themselves.

    You argue that things are a states' rights issues when not in the Constitution, unless it is something that you feel is acceptable, like interracial marriage, to be overturned. The Lovings did not meet the requirements of a marriage in Virginia at that time, which said that marriages were only valid between people of the same race.

    There is no difference when it comes to legal marriage (or really even personal marriage to me, but that is really a separate issue) between two people of the opposite sex or two people of the same sex.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Your contention was that marriage is a states' rights issue and not found in the US Constitution. You are the one who doesn't "get it". Your arguments contradict themselves.

    You argue that things are a states' rights issues when not in the Constitution, unless it is something that you feel is acceptable, like interracial marriage, to be overturned. The Lovings did not meet the requirements of a marriage in Virginia at that time, which said that marriages were only valid between people of the same race.

    There is no difference when it comes to legal marriage (or really even personal marriage to me, but that is really a separate issue) between two people of the opposite sex or two people of the same sex.
    Sounds like the N.C. education escaped you as you don't understand if it is in the Constitution it is a requirement for the state to adhere to those issues and race is in the Constitution, marriage isn't

    Noticed that you didn't answer my question, why is that?

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Loving decision was a black woman wanting to marry a white man which met the requirements of marriage in the state of Va.

    That is patently false.


    The requriements in the Commonwealth of Virginia at the time were that coloreds were required to marry coloreds and whites were required to marry whites. It was against the law in Virgnia for a colored to marry a white and therefore the requirement at the time banned interracial marriage.


    That's what the whole freaking case was about.


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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Sounds like the N.C. education escaped you as you don't understand if it is in the Constitution it is a requirement for the state to adhere to those issues and race is in the Constitution, marriage isn't

    Noticed that you didn't answer my question, why is that?
    Wrong. Race is not in the Constitution when it comes to the Equal Protection clause.

    I missed your question. I wouldn't care. My kids are going to be raised, should my husband and I both pass away before they are grown, by one of my siblings, most likely (since our parents have health issues). Some of them are bisexual and one is transgendered, who has a daughter. Does it sound like I have any issue with two people of the same sex raising children?
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

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    The Federal Govt. has authorized equal benefits for same sex partners or did you miss that declaration?
    Same sex partners are not authorized equal benefits. Same as different sex partners are not authorized Federal benefits.


    Spouses (as in Civilly Married) are authorized Federal benefits equally whether they are same-sex or different-sex. Just because two people are sexual partners does not mean they are authorized benefits.



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    Interesting because they were with my company in the state of TX but then again TX doesn't have a state income tax so there wasn't really much difference.

    Again with what your company did...

    That wasn't what you said. You said the Federal government has authorized equal benefits that that incorrect. Social Security survivor-ship is ONLY available based on Civil Marriage. Joint tax filing is ONLY available on Civil Marriage. Gift Tax spousal exemption is ONLY available to spouses. The Estate Tax exemption for spouses is available ONLY to - you guessed it - Spouses in a Civil Marriage. The military does not recognize sex partners for military housing, dependent healthcare, transportation expenses upon PCS moves, command sponsorship for overseas tours, etc., etc.


    Just because you company chooses to do something does not mean that your company is the Federal government.


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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    That is patently false.


    The requriements in the Commonwealth of Virginia at the time were that coloreds were required to marry coloreds and whites were required to marry whites. It was against the law in Virgnia for a colored to marry a white and therefore the requirement at the time banned interracial marriage.


    That's what the whole freaking case was about.


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    You miss the point which isn't surprising, the ruling overturned the state ruling because it violated the Constitution. Race was the issue not SSM even though that is what proponents are now using as justification.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You miss the point which isn't surprising, the ruling overturned the state ruling because it violated the Constitution. Race was the issue not SSM even though that is what proponents are now using as justification.
    But race is not in the Constitution specifically as being protected by the EPC, which is what it was ruled to be violating, just the same as you said sex nor sexuality were not in there. So now you are twisting things to fit what you want. Your arguments are inconsistent.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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