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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    For those of you touting economic benefits of having SSM here are the facts

    Consider the state-level data on per capita personal income growth between 1999 and 2009, published by the U.S. Department of Commerce's Bureau of Economic Analysis.

    - See more at: Tired Meme Alert: MN Gay Marriage Advocates Tout Bogus Economic Arguments | NOM Blog
    Wow, if there's ever a need for an example to demonstrate "strategies for effective use of cherry picked data in propaganda" or for the economic maxim - correlation does not equal causation - we can save that article!

    BTW, of those 'states best for jobs growth' here's how they rank on current unemployment, with 1 being the lowest unemployment rate:

    GA - 51
    TN - 44
    NC - 38
    FL - 26
    TX - 16

    Let's cherry pick a few with legal SSM:

    Hawaii - 6
    Minnesota- 6
    NH - 8

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I don't see the benefits garnered by gay couples to be married when the reality is that it is nothing more than having something that they believe they cannot have.
    I know you said you're bowing out, but that 'reality' is nothing more than you expressing your own prejudices against homosexuals. As a factual claim, it can be debunked by anyone with the slightest grasp of the facts. And why someone, gay or straight, wants to get married is none of your business or of mine.

    Finally, you should know better than to presume that a genuine and personal belief in God is incompatible with homosexuality or support for their rights.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Wow, if there's ever a need for an example to demonstrate "strategies for effective use of cherry picked data in propaganda" or for the economic maxim - correlation does not equal causation - we can save that article!

    BTW, of those 'states best for jobs growth' here's how they rank on current unemployment, with 1 being the lowest unemployment rate:

    GA - 51
    TN - 44
    NC - 38
    FL - 26
    TX - 16

    Let's cherry pick a few with legal SSM:

    Hawaii - 6
    Minnesota- 6
    NH - 8
    Right, we wouldn't want to cherrypick data, now would we? The population in Hawaii, Minnesota, and NH total about 8 million people relatively small compared to the states you listed and have no idea what the numbers by the states mean but I do know that TX is among the leaders in job creation and has been for the past 10 years

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Right, we wouldn't want to cherrypick data, now would we? The population in Hawaii, Minnesota, and NH total about 8 million people relatively small compared to the states you listed and have no idea what the numbers by the states mean but I do know that TX is among the leaders in job creation and has been for the past 10 years
    The difference is I acknowledged up front that the data was cherry picked, and I don't make the ridiculous assumption that correlation between randomly selected and obviously cherry picked variables proves causation.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Get SSM approved in 50 states BY THE PEOPLE and I will accept that...

    So why don't you accept that same-sex Civil Marriage was passed by vote in Washington, Maine, Maryland, and Minnesota? Why does it have to be all 50 States before you can accept that it should be put to the vote at the State level? Do you acknowledge thawt SSCM exists for anyone married in those jurisdictions?



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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    So why don't you accept that same-sex Civil Marriage was passed by vote in Washington, Maine, Maryland, and Minnesota? Why does it have to be all 50 States before you can accept that it should be put to the vote at the State level? Do you acknowledge thawt SSCM exists for anyone married in those jurisdictions?



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    Who said I didn't accept the vote of the people? Marriage has always been a state issue and that is where it belongs. It needs to be approved by all 50 states or by Constitutional Amendment not by the courts

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Who said I didn't accept the vote of the people? Marriage has always been a state issue and that is where it belongs. It needs to be approved by all 50 states or by Constitutional Amendment not by the courts
    Except for when it's interracial marriage?

    No it has simply not always been a state issue. Most of the benefits of marriage are federal, not state benefits.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Except for when it's interracial marriage?

    No it has simply not always been a state issue. Most of the benefits of marriage are federal, not state benefits.
    Conservative claims that it is because homosexuality is a choice, even though it has never been proven to be just a choice.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Except for when it's interracial marriage?

    No it has simply not always been a state issue. Most of the benefits of marriage are federal, not state benefits.
    You seem to believe you know me, have we met?

    The Federal Govt. has authorized equal benefits for same sex partners or did you miss that declaration?

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You seem to believe you know me, have we met?

    The Federal Govt. has authorized equal benefits for same sex partners or did you miss that declaration?
    So long as they are married. This means that they have to be able to marry in all states in order to get those benefits.

    You have already said that you believed the Loving decision was covered. So what is it? Are you saying that the Loving decision was wrong?
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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