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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

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    Two different subjects but yes genes do indeed play a role as race and gender are gene related and thus are protected. Hard for anyone to understand people like you who for some reason believe that marriage is a right and not a privilege, that whether or not someone is married is a personal choice issue not a civil rights issue. People like you really are part of the problem not part of the solution. Let the states do their own thing with regard to their own common law. Personal choice issues are allowed but not guaranteed in the Constitution. You can choose to be with whoever you want but don't expect the Constitution to protect you for something that isn't there.
    Bingo. Gender is protected.

    So we can't define marriage as between a man and a woman.

    While you're at it, show me gender in the 14th amendment.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

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    Show me race in the 14th amendment.
    Interesting, I see race, gender which are gene related but not personal choice like being gay? Is there any limits to the equal protection clause in your world? People have no choice on their race or gender thus a civil rights issue. Show me marriage and gay personal choice in the Constitution?

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Bingo. Gender is protected.

    So we can't define marriage as between a man and a woman.

    While you're at it, show me gender in the 14th amendment.
    Because marriage is a personal choice, a privilege, and common law

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

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    Interesting, I see race, gender which are gene related but not personal choice like being gay? Is there any limits to the equal protection clause in your world? People have no choice on their race or gender thus a civil rights issue. Show me marriage and gay personal choice in the Constitution?
    I will answer this question if you admit "is not in the constitution" is no longer your basis for objection to applying equal protection to marriage issues. Because now you have jumped ship over to "is a personal choice" or "is genetic."
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

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    Interesting, I see race, gender which are gene related but not personal choice like being gay? Is there any limits to the equal protection clause in your world? People have no choice on their race or gender thus a civil rights issue. Show me marriage and gay personal choice in the Constitution?
    Can you show us where scientifically it is agreed upon by the entire scientific community that being gay is a choice? Did you CHOOSE to be heterosexual?

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I will answer this question if you admit "is not in the constitution" is no longer your basis for objection to applying equal protection to marriage issues. Because now you have jumped ship over to "is a personal choice" or "is genetic."
    the reality is pro SSM people cannot prove that being gay is at birth as there is no such thing as a gay gene but there are genes for race and gender and that coupled with the states' rights issue makes it irrelevant to the Constitution IMO.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

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    Can you show us where scientifically it is agreed upon by the entire scientific community that being gay is a choice? Did you CHOOSE to be heterosexual?
    In the absence of a gay gene, there is no scientific evidence that being gay happens at birth. That is why liberals never talk about that issue

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

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    In the absence of a gay gene, there is no scientific evidence that being gay happens at birth. That is why liberals never talk about that issue
    Yes, but science has not ruled out the possibility of a gay gene or combination thereof. That's why cons such as yourself can never discuss science intelligently.

    Let me guess, Gravity was NEVER there until someone wrote the science on it huh? Typical Cons, like to bible thump and act like their intelligent, how cute.

    You still upset over you losing the gay marriage argument huh? It is happening in SPITE of what you "think". Deal with that Con.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

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    the reality is pro SSM people cannot prove that being gay is at birth as there is no such thing as a gay gene but there are genes for race and gender and that coupled with the states' rights issue makes it irrelevant to the Constitution IMO.
    And science has not ruled out that it could be biological and not a choice either. Too bad the right and you keep losing the SSM argument and more and more places are making SSM legal. You are on the wrong side of history as always.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

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    I was married for over 40 years and marriage has been on the books for centuries. Don't you find it a bit disturbing that all this SSM lawsuit bs just surfaced in the 70's? Why is that? What makes this an issue now and one that by all estimates involves less than 5% of the American population? I contend it has nothing to do with pursuit of happiness but rather malcontents who are looking for and seeing attention. I have no use for these people nor for their cause especially if it isn't passed by the state electorate
    Because up until the mid-80s, gays *had* to hide to have *normal* lives. They even married in attempts to fit in. They tried, but they still were gay, staying in the 'closet' didnt make them less gay.

    So finally, they were able to, slowly, come out of the closet. And it cost them....they were beaten, killed, lost their jobs, were refused jobs, lost custody of their kids, called perverts and pedophiles and removed for a time from entire professions. It still happens.

    Gay people were always within our society....contributing with good jobs, raising kids, being doctors, firemen, teachers, everything. Why should they have to hide who they are and who they love? How would you like to have to live like that?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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