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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

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    No interest in fighting it. life is full of disappointments so I just live with it. You obviously have lived with it for a long time, get over it and move on
    Is this what you teach/taught your kids?

    And what if one of them was gay? Would you just tell them, tough luck, no marriage for you and my grandkids will have to be born/live out of wedlock.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

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    You lived under the laws of your state for decades and I assume you are old enough to have lived under those laws while of legal age. Now all of a sudden you want the courts to overrule the laws you lived under. Why is that? I call it liberal arrogance and attempts to force your beliefs on others. How typical of liberals
    Because it's never too late to do the right thing?

    Would you say the same thing to those that grew up in the years of slavery?
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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

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    Attacks on religion continue and will always continue. The Constitution protects freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.
    It includes freedom from religion because you are not allowed to force your religious beliefs on others.
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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

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    YOU move to a country that doesn't allow it, since it will be legal in all 50 states very soon. It's all over but the crying
    I wonder how many people moved out of the US to find more 'freedom' when they finally ended segregation, ensured interracial marriage, and really dealt the death blows to Jim Crow?

    (Heh, I'd guess....none).
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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

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    Then in the liberal world everything can be tied to the equal protection clause and the states have no rights at all. Marriage is backed by centuries of history and precedence as well as the votes of the people in the states. It is common law, it isn't in the Constitution, and it is up to the people, not the courts to determine what is right in their state. Marriage isn't in the Constitution. You want it there, put it there.
    Slavery was a tradition and backed by centuries of of history too. As was keeping women 2nd class citizens.

    We should be learning from history, not repeating it.

    I dont want marriage in the Const and I dont even care if it's a state/fed recognized institution. I do care about discrimination tho, big time. And not allowing gays to marry is a) discrimination and b) counter productive to society.

    Because gays and their families arent going away, no matter what you call them. And the children in these families ALL benefit from the legal protections and other benefits accorded to marriage in America.
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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

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    Sexual orientation isn't the issue, common law on a subject not in the Constitution is
    What does common law say about straight marriage in the Constitution?
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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

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    Yes, we have an amendment to the Constitution on Religion. You want one on Marriage? go for it. I will support your effort
    Religion is protected, as is gender. That's all marriage...and state recognized 'marriage contracts' need....not allowing SSM is discriminating against one gender or the other in that contract.
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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    The last time VRA was reupped it was by a vote of 97-0.
    Now it can't get a vote due to GOP Sen.McFilibuster, the odds-on choice for the next Majority Leader.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I wonder how many people moved out of the US to find more 'freedom'
    when they finally ended segregation, ensured interracial marriage, and really dealt the death blows to Jim Crow?
    (Heh, I'd guess....none).
    Your comment about the death blows to Jim Crow don't equate to reality in about two dozen GOP-controlled states.

    You must not have noticed the SCOTUS decision to eliminate all but one section of the VRA until there is a new act,
    which will never happen again--just as Civil Rights could not happen today.

    The SCOTUS just threw out Wisconsin Gov. Walker's 21st Century high-tech Jim Crow law and will throw out the Texas law shortly.
    You live a sheltered life politically in Washington where voter suppression isn't an issue--yet .
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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    What's that got to do with what you said?

    You said go out and get a Civil Union, I showed where your State (Texas) like mine (Virginia) doesn't allow Civil Unions. As a registered Republican since 1978 and someone that has been bad mouthed as to my conservative stances on fiscal responsibility, defense, and immigration (I'm more a Goldwater Conservative then a modern Social Authoritarian Conservative) - I voted against the Virginia amendment, how did you vote pertaining to the Texas Amendment?


    A decade ago Social Authoritarians voted to enact discriminatory bans for BOTH Civil Marriage AND Civil Unions when they felt they were in a position of power and that public opinion wouldn't shift. Instead of acting to recognize that same-sex couples deserved the same rights, responsibilities, and benefits as different-sex couples and working for a compromise at that time - State level Civil Unions with equal Federal recognition - Ohhhh no. Your side fought for no recognition at all.

    Your side took Civil Unions off the table and now same-sex Civil Marriage is winning in the Courts, winning in the legislatures, and winning at the ballot box. Well that came back to bite you in the ass.



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    My side? My company headquartered in Houston allows civil unions as well as benefits for same sex partners and this is a Houston based company so not sure exactly what you are talking about. I dealt with competitors as well who did the same thing.

    I was married for over 40 years and marriage has been on the books for centuries. Don't you find it a bit disturbing that all this SSM lawsuit bs just surfaced in the 70's? Why is that? What makes this an issue now and one that by all estimates involves less than 5% of the American population? I contend it has nothing to do with pursuit of happiness but rather malcontents who are looking for and seeing attention. I have no use for these people nor for their cause especially if it isn't passed by the state electorate

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Frankly someone who is not gay has 0 credibility and no place arguing that it is a choice. I'm gay and can guarantee it's not a choice. Now why should anyone accept your stance instead?

    Even not being born with a sexuality, but rather it developing in early life, well before any sexual attraction sets in, would suggest choice has nothing to do with it. Researchers have been able to predict the sexuality of children as young as 4. I suppose 4 year olds choose to be gay?

    This also makes no sense because claims of an adult permanently changing their sexuality, despite the pressure to do so, are way too rare. Even heroin addicts claim to kick the habit with greater success.

    You clearly don't know jack all about epigenetic research either. Twin studies like in MN revealed that it must be partly genetic. The current leading theory is that hormonal influence while in the womb interacts with genes, so there is no "show me the gay gene," because it's biological but more complicated.
    I could give a **** what you think of me or my opinions. I don't like the way you are going about getting what you want for your own pleasure but more importantly for attention. You want gay marriage approved,, get the population to approve it not the courts. You know the outcome of your efforts and that is why people like you don't want a Constitutional Amendment put to the people. The outcome won't be what you want.

    What doesn't make sense to me is the passion you have and the excuse you make about this being about pursuit of happiness. This is nothing but personal arrogance and a malcontent looking for attention. find it someplace else. The people of your state should decide the issue and that should be the case in every state.

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