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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I think you're right on point, actually.

    I think the real reason why homosexuals are demanding homosexual marriage has nothing whatsoever to do with equal rights because they already have equal rights. They are pursuing the homosexual marriage agenda for two primary reasons.

    1. To poke a stick in the eye of Christians and Christianity
    2. To be able to say that homosexuality is normal

    Civil Unions wouldn't do those two things even if they conveyed every benefit that marriage does to homosexual couples. Therefore, civil unions were unacceptable. It had nothing at all to do with rights. This issue has been driven by homosexual militants. Most homosexuals I've know have had no interest in marriage for the sake of marriage. Many have told me that their homosexual lifestyle was about eschewing the "normal" model of marriage and kids.

    What the long term consequences will be, no one knows because no society that endorsed homosexuality has stood the test of time and so we have no example to take a lesson from. But I think it's clear to see that in our country, the homosexuals will prevail. How it changes society in this country is something we can only guess about.
    Bull. You people vote against civil unions too. And this contradicts your previous point about state endorsement of homosexuality. Civil unions would also be state sanctioning homosexuality.

    See. This is why everyone knows the anti equality crowd is just acting out of spite. Their arguments contradict themselves.
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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Well, we don't find the religious angle to be useful, or intelligent, either. That doesn't stop you and your ilk.
    I'm not religious. You don't have to be religious to understand that homosexual marriage is an oxymoron.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I'm not religious. You don't have to be religious to understand that homosexual marriage is an oxymoron.
    And "arms," are just things attached to your shoulders. So government banning guns is acceptable, constitutionally speaking.
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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I just cut to the chase. I know this argument. Try to pretend that denying homosexuals state sanction of their marriage is like denying otherwise normal heterosexual couples from marrying because one of them isn't the "right" race. It's not a racial issue. Forbidding marriage among interracial couples that are in every other way qualified to be married just because they're not both the same race is not constitutional. I don't find the "race" angle to be useful at all for proponents of homosexual marriage.
    good thing what YOU find relevant doesnt matter, not only is it useful in legality its very similar and this is why many judges have referred to loving vs Virginia.

    what are your qualifications and reasoning again?

    also we are still waiting for ONE single legit, accurate and dare I say fact based argument to deny others equal rights? . . . you havent presented one yet, please do so now, thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Bull. You people vote against civil unions too.
    I don't support civil unions either, now. I did a few years ago. I thought it was an excellent way to provide the "equal rights" homosexuals were clamoring for without a great deal of political resistance. Of course, it became very clear to me after many discussions with homsexuals that it really wasn't about equal rights at all because that was rejected off hand because it didn't make homosexuality "as normal as heterosexuality". I was, however, of the mind that it was a reasonable concession to provide civil unions to any two people who wanted to be in a domestic partnership. But after my idiot militant homosexual activist brother (the same one that claims the government invented AIDS to wipe out homosexuals) threw a hissy fit and told me I need to get off the fence and stop being "ambivalent", I got off the fence. Now I can't and won't support either homosexual marriage or civil unions. The in-your-face attitude of militant homosexual activists isn't something that promotes sympathy or compassion. Not for me, anyway.

    Those homosexuals who want to believe everyone that doesn't think homosexual marriage makes sense must be a religious right extremist are deluding themselves.
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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    The word marriage has religious connotations that is why the gays refused to accept civil unions. The act and benefits might be secular but the gays dont want that they want the word
    religion has nothing to do with legal marriage LMAO, nobody honest and educated ever takes that fallacy seriously

    marriage also has pedophilia connotations and rape connotations to it also, all meanignless to equal rights which civil unions are factually not lol
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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I think you're right on point, actually.

    I think the real reason why homosexuals are demanding homosexual marriage has nothing whatsoever to do with equal rights because they already have equal rights. They are pursuing the homosexual marriage agenda for two primary reasons.

    1. To poke a stick in the eye of Christians and Christianity
    That's it. It's all about you.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    It is going to fall in Arizona soon, much to the chagrin of Cathi Herrod and her fundie lobbying group Center for Arizona Policy, and for the equally repellent Alliance Defending Freedom.

    And of course, our resident ex congressman/full time oaf JD Hayworth will be able to marry his horse...
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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I'm not religious. You don't have to be religious to understand that homosexual marriage is an oxymoron.
    Doesn't matter, the vast majority of people who oppose gay marriage are doing so for solely religious reasons. Take those people out of the equation and you have very few people who care.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I think you're right on point, actually.

    1.) I think the real reason why homosexuals are demanding homosexual marriage has nothing whatsoever to do with equal rights because they already have equal rights.
    2.)They are pursuing the homosexual marriage agenda for two primary reasons.

    A. To poke a stick in the eye of Christians and Christianity
    B. To be able to say that homosexuality is normal

    3.)Civil Unions wouldn't do those two things even if they conveyed every benefit that marriage does to homosexual couples. Therefore, civil unions were unacceptable.

    4.) It had nothing at all to do with rights. This issue has been driven by homosexual militants. Most homosexuals I've know have had no interest in marriage for the sake of marriage. Many have told me that their homosexual lifestyle was about eschewing the "normal" model of marriage and kids. What the long term consequences will be, no one knows because no society that endorsed homosexuality has stood the test of time and so we have no example to take a lesson from. But I think it's clear to see that in our country, the homosexuals will prevail. How it changes society in this country is something we can only guess about.
    1.) this lie as already been proven to be false, re-posting it wont change this fact lol
    2A.) this ignores that fact that many Christians support equal rights and LEGAL gay marriage, some even support religious gay marriage whooops
    2B.) well depending on what you are referring to it already is normal? but peoples opinions of it have nothing to o with equal rights

    3.) Civil unions are not equal rights and you also ignore the fact that bigots and those against equal rights banned those too, you know because it doesnt matter to them lol
    also dont speak for all Christians because you certainly do not, many gays and equal rights supporters are Christians

    4.)

    i ask AGAIN, do you have ONE single legit, accurate and dare I say fact based argument to deny others equal rights? . . . one, we'd love to hear it please
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