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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Go ahead and tell me what you feel you are being prevented legally from doing based on your gender. Maybe it really isn't worth fighting for for you, but that doesn't mean others don't feel that what they are fighting for is worth it, that their fight for being treated equally because the law doesn't currently do so is worth it. I agree. It is worth it, especially for something like marriage.

    I don't need to get over it. I am getting what I want.
    Of course you are, you are winning the battle but losing the bigger war. One of these days you are going to realize it.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Go ahead and tell me what you feel you are being prevented legally from doing based on your gender. Maybe it really isn't worth fighting for for you, but that doesn't mean others don't feel that what they are fighting for is worth it, that their fight for being treated equally because the law doesn't currently do so is worth it. I agree. It is worth it, especially for something like marriage.

    I don't need to get over it. I am getting what I want.
    Of course you are, you are winning the battle but losing the bigger war. One of these days you are going to realize it.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And the constituion protects people from having religious beliefs FORCED on them by you. If you don't like SSM, then don't marry someone of the same sex. Mind YOUR own marriage, not others.
    Wrong, it is freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM religion. Another concept that you cannot grasp

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What you and a very small minority want to do is force your beliefs and will on the majority and make the bogus claim that marriage is a civil rights issue. You are getting activist justices to support your cause but that doesn't overturn the will of the people. This is a much bigger issue than just SSM, for it is about the foundation upon which this country was built, govt. of the people, by the people, and for the people. In otherwords the will of the people. Just like Amendments were passed then if you believe SSM is so important get an Amendment adopted and passed. When marriage is in the Constitution then you will have a point until then you are nothing more than a malcontent who doesn't like the will of the people when it disagrees with your will.
    You are in the minority. I am in the ever growing majority. The sooner you accept this fact, the better.

    Activist judges is another phrase for "those judges didn't rule the way I wanted them to".
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Of course you are, you are winning the battle but losing the bigger war. One of these days you are going to realize it.
    No, I'm not losing any war here at all. The majority of people support same sex marriage. And the Courts have decided on the constitutionality of laws for centuries, of state laws for a little less time, but still has been over a century.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You are in the minority. I am in the ever growing majority. The sooner you accept this fact, the better.

    Activist judges is another phrase for "those judges didn't rule the way I wanted them to".
    Yes, saw your definition of minority, 61% of the vote in N.C. was for the ban on SSM is a minority in your world. Of the 30 states allowing SSM 19 were mandated by the courts. That isn't a majority of the people just non elected justices.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Show me the gay gene, the we can talk about ignorance. You pass off the opinions of others as fact when they really are nothing other than opinions
    By "nothing more than opinions" you mean conclusions based on mountains of evidence I guess. If so, then yes, I tend to try to hold views consistent with mountains of evidence, especially when contradictory evidence is virtually non-existent.

    The only reason this issue even matters to me is the experience of one of my brother's best friends whose family believed their son "chose" to be gay, and so it's OK if they disown him, shun him, write him out of their lives, because if he loved his family, he'd simply change that decision to be gay and choose to be straight and not bring shame to the family. It gave them the excuse to shift the blame and the consequences to him. It's a sad situation, rooted in ignorance.

    FWIW, no one really knows the cause. Could be a gene, could be something happened in the womb, early experiences, or a combination. That part doesn't matter. What does matter is there is simply no evidence that more than a tiny sliver of the most highly motivated individuals successfully change sexual orientation.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Wrong, it is freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM religion. Another concept that you cannot grasp
    Sorry that is a concept YOU don't understand. YOU cannot force me to pray to YOUR god. YOU, the right and religion doesn't OWN the word marriage. Deal with it, you are losing on EVERY ground with SSM. YOU are on the wrong side of history like those against interracial marriage were. Typical social Cons, always fighting against freedom in the name of a sky god.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, saw your definition of minority, 61% of the vote in N.C. was for the ban on SSM is a minority in your world. Of the 30 states allowing SSM 19 were mandated by the courts. That isn't a majority of the people just non elected justices.
    Do you believe that we live in a single point in time where a vote was taken? That was over 2 years ago. Things change with time. We are talking about now, not what the majority was (and you can't even prove it was a majority given the circumstances of the vote) years ago.

    And just because the judges strike down the laws more quickly than the people can get legislation passed, doesn't mean that the majority in those states, at least some of them, doesn't support same sex marriage.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What you and a very small minority want to do is force your beliefs and will on the majority and make the bogus claim that marriage is a civil rights issue. You are getting activist justices to support your cause but that doesn't overturn the will of the people. This is a much bigger issue than just SSM, for it is about the foundation upon which this country was built, govt. of the people, by the people, and for the people. In otherwords the will of the people. Just like Amendments were passed then if you believe SSM is so important get an Amendment adopted and passed. When marriage is in the Constitution then you will have a point until then you are nothing more than a malcontent who doesn't like the will of the people when it disagrees with your will.
    It's incredible you can't see the irony in that statement. If SSM is legal, it requires NOTHING of you. But you whine about others forcing their beliefs and will on you, while you work to deny others' access to an institution that brought you joy and happiness and fulfillment.

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