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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    So you'd be good with, say, white heterosexuals getting tax benefits and black heterosexuals not getting tax benefits? After all, in some areas of the country, that might be what the people in the state might want.
    The "homosexuality is a race" argument fails supremely.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Like I said, right-wing rhetoric about individual liberty is pure bull****. You people support the freedom to suppress other peoples' freedom.
    What freedom? Gays could already have a ceremony and live happily ever after, they didnt even just want the govt benefits of marriage under a different name (civil union) they wanted to destroy the religious meaning of marriage. Gay marriage is about religious bigotry. If it was the gay civil union movement yall could have won that decades ago.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    The "homosexuality is a race" argument fails supremely.
    Which, of course, has nothing to do with what I said. You've just dodged the question, as expected.
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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    What freedom? Gays could already have a ceremony and live happily ever after, they didnt even just want the govt benefits of marriage under a different name (civil union) they wanted to destroy the religious meaning of marriage. Gay marriage is about religious bigotry. If it was the gay civil union movement yall could have won that decades ago.
    Marriage in this conversation is very much a state (and thus secular) concern. There is no plausible argument for religious bigotry. Just religious butthurt.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Which, of course, has nothing to do with what I said. You've just dodged the question, as expected.
    I just cut to the chase. I know this argument. Try to pretend that denying homosexuals state sanction of their marriage is like denying otherwise normal heterosexual couples from marrying because one of them isn't the "right" race. It's not a racial issue. Forbidding marriage among interracial couples that are in every other way qualified to be married just because they're not both the same race is not constitutional. I don't find the "race" angle to be useful at all for proponents of homosexual marriage.
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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Marriage in this conversation is very much a state (and thus secular) concern. There is no plausible argument for religious bigotry. Just religious butthurt.
    The word marriage has religious connotations that is why the gays refused to accept civil unions. The act and benefits might be secular but the gays dont want that they want the word

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I just cut to the chase. I know this argument. Try to pretend that denying homosexuals state sanction of their marriage is like denying otherwise normal heterosexual couples from marrying because one of them isn't the "right" race. It's not a racial issue. Forbidding marriage among interracial couples that are in every other way qualified to be married just because they're not both the same race is not constitutional. I don't find the "race" angle to be useful at all for proponents of homosexual marriage.
    Youll have to forgive them they have been playing the race card so long its now the only move they have. Like Seth Rogan in knocked up doing the dice roll you just gotta let em do it its the only move hes got.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I just cut to the chase. I know this argument. Try to pretend that denying homosexuals state sanction of their marriage is like denying otherwise normal heterosexual couples from marrying because one of them isn't the "right" race. It's not a racial issue. Forbidding marriage among interracial couples that are in every other way qualified to be married just because they're not both the same race is not constitutional. I don't find the "race" angle to be useful at all for proponents of homosexual marriage.
    Well, we don't find the religious angle to be useful, or intelligent, either. That doesn't stop you and your ilk.
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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    The word marriage has religious connotations that is why the gays refused to accept civil unions. The act and benefits might be secular but the gays dont want that they want the word
    I think you're right on point, actually.

    I think the real reason why homosexuals are demanding homosexual marriage has nothing whatsoever to do with equal rights because they already have equal rights. They are pursuing the homosexual marriage agenda for two primary reasons.

    1. To poke a stick in the eye of Christians and Christianity
    2. To be able to say that homosexuality is normal

    Civil Unions wouldn't do those two things even if they conveyed every benefit that marriage does to homosexual couples. Therefore, civil unions were unacceptable. It had nothing at all to do with rights. This issue has been driven by homosexual militants. Most homosexuals I've know have had no interest in marriage for the sake of marriage. Many have told me that their homosexual lifestyle was about eschewing the "normal" model of marriage and kids.

    What the long term consequences will be, no one knows because no society that endorsed homosexuality has stood the test of time and so we have no example to take a lesson from. But I think it's clear to see that in our country, the homosexuals will prevail. How it changes society in this country is something we can only guess about.
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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    What freedom? Gays could already have a ceremony and live happily ever after, they didnt even just want the govt benefits of marriage under a different name (civil union) they wanted to destroy the religious meaning of marriage. Gay marriage is about religious bigotry. If it was the gay civil union movement yall could have won that decades ago.
    First, bull****. You people put up constitutional amendments against civil unions also. Every single time civil unions have come up for a vote, people turn out in droves against it. Second, civil unions have absolutely never been equal to marriages. You people have never actually once managed to offer up real equality in civil unions.

    As for religious bigotry, no. Someone else getting married despite your disapproval is not bigoted against you. Their marriage does not affect you. Their marriage doesn't redefine your marriage. You won't love your wife less. You won't love your children less. Society will not view your marriage differently. God will not view your marriage differently. Stop thinking this is about you. It's not.
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