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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Actually, it is. No better recognition of this fact can be found than in the number of mixed marriages where such couples were harassed, threatened w/physical abuse and in some cased lost their lives all because the couple married someone who was not of their racial makeup. But that's on the physical side.

    There are also instances where mixed race couples were denied housing and/or employment once word got out that a white woman had married a black man (or visa versa). I don't know of any case where a mixed couple lost their federal benefits on the basis of race, but I know of a few common-law marriages between civilian couples that fell into that gray area.
    Wrong, in Loving both parties were adhering to state law and one party was black and the other was white but both were of different sexes. Prevention was discrimination.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Noticed you ignored this part of the Constitution, not surprising

    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    Since marriage isn't listed in the Constitution it is left to the states and thus the people. TX is saying no as are 31 other states
    9th amendment.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Same sex marriage is a gender issue not a marriage issue.

    if it were a "state issue," SCOTUS would have overturned the circuit court rulings because those rulings just overturned state laws. State decisions were just reveesed by federal courts, and SCOTUS did not intervene.
    Loving was a discrimination issue based upon race, both were adhering to the state law

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Conservative, unequal protection of the laws is specifically denied to the states by the constitution, and that's why the 10th doesn't shield you here.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Loving was a discrimination issue based upon race, both were adhering to the state law
    Where does the 14th mention race?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Since you won't answer the question this will

    Amendment One, North Carolina Gay Marriage Ban, Passes Vote

    61% isn't a majority for same sex marriage

    Care to change your statement that the majority support same sex marriage? Not in North Carolina
    Not at all. I'm very aware of what happened, and easily explained it. That is not a majority of the state or even registered voters. It is a majority of those voters, mostly Republican, at the time that voted at that single point 2 years ago.

    Thom Tillis doesn’t want to discuss gay marriage: The GOP Senate candidate knows that North Carolinians have changed their minds about marriage equality.

    Altogether, 1.3 million people voted for the amendment. That’s 61 percent of those who showed up, but it’s only about 20 percent of the state’s voters. According to the Institute for Southern Studies, it’s the lowest turnout, in percentage terms, for any anti-gay-marriage ballot measure passed in the South.
    As I said, it was setup so it had to pass. And there were still plenty of voters who voted on it at the time who didn't even realize that it banned any unions at all, so they wouldn't have voted for it had they known. Political setup 2 years ago. Wouldn't stand a chance if done in this next election.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Held by the people, voted on by the people

    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
    Are you missing this part "to the people", which means all the people not just those in the majority of a state.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    9th amendment.
    Again, you don't seem to understand the Constitution at all, read this very slowly

    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    It means that powers not listed in the Constitution or prohibited by it to the states are reserved to the states. that is where marriage resides and where it should reside. You don't seem to understand the Constitution at all. You want to make Common law and a privilege a civil right. No where in the Constitution is that power granted since Marriage isn't in the Constitution

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Are you missing this part "to the people", which means all the people not just those in the majority of a state.
    Marriage is common law and controlled by the states leaving it up to the states to decide. You don't seem to be able to comprehend the concept

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I did address the subject head on. Homosexuals have the same rights everyone else has. The person who didn't come at this head on was the one that said that if you don't have the right to marry whatever gives you a chubby then you don't have equal rights and I pointed out that was wrong.
    This was the same veiled bigotry used to defend interracial marriage bans - "They have the same rights, they can just marry the same race." How quickly you and practically every other SSM opponent changes their tune where their own logic is applied against minorities they can tolerate more than homosexuals.

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