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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    so you think equal protection doesn't cover gender?
    Marriage isn't an equal protection issue, never has been

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

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    You claimed that the majority are for SSM and I asked you a question, what was the vote in North Carolina on the issue? You want badly to believe Marriage is in the Constitution but it isn't. Activist justices are trying to put it there ignoring the will of the people. Any law not listed in the Constitution is left to the states to decide and that relates to marriage.
    They are for same sex marriage. In fact, I'm willing to bet that if a vote were taken within the next month or so, when we have our elections here, that there would be no ban because even here, people have changed. This is why even one of the Republican candidates refused to talk about the issue for more than 7 seconds because he knows that those against this are losing, even in the South.

    Are you unaware of the circumstances of the vote here in NC? It occurred during a Republican primary. No Democrat primary at that time either. It was a set up to ensure it passed. It had the lowest number of votes for any such amendment because of this fact. If anything, dirty politicians got it passed here.

    No, any law not listed in the Constitution is not left up to the states. No matter what you think. You are free to believe that, but it isn't true and past SCOTUS decisions prove this.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    1. Interracial marriage wasn't listed specifically in the Constitution, how'd that turn out for Texas that barred interracial marriage?


    2. Again are you of the opinion that a right must be enumerated in the Constitution to be held by the people?


    3. You realize that a Federal requirement for equal protection and due process IS in the Constitution right?



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    A Constitutional Amendment was passed regarding race, you must have missed it

    Any law not enumerated in the Constitution goes to the states. show me marriage in the Constitution. Marriage is a privilege not a civil right. Millions of Americans aren't married.

    Equal protection applies to the laws in the Constitution, Marriage isn't one of those laws

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Then focus on getting the Federal Govt. to recognize civil unions. Seems simple to me

    I'd have no problem with the government recognition being Civil Unions for everyone, different-sex and same-sex. Works for me.

    "Marriage" would be used by religious organization.


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    The reality is it would be a colossal waste of time because everyone would still call it "marriage" anyway, but if that temporary measure floats your boat for a transition. I'm on board.



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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They are for same sex marriage. In fact, I'm willing to bet that if a vote were taken within the next month or so, when we have our elections here, that there would be no ban because even here, people have changed. This is why even one of the Republican candidates refused to talk about the issue for more than 7 seconds because he knows that those against this are losing, even in the South.

    Are you unaware of the circumstances of the vote here in NC? It occurred during a Republican primary. No Democrat primary at that time either. It was a set up to ensure it passed. It had the lowest number of votes for any such amendment because of this fact. If anything, dirty politicians got it passed here.

    No, any law not listed in the Constitution is not left up to the states. No matter what you think. You are free to believe that, but it isn't true and past SCOTUS decisions prove this.
    Since you won't answer the question this will

    Amendment One, North Carolina Gay Marriage Ban, Passes Vote

    61% isn't a majority for same sex marriage

    Care to change your statement that the majority support same sex marriage? Not in North Carolina

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Where is marriage listed in the Constitution?
    Doesn't matter. Equal protection applies to the laws, not enumerated rights.

    If you insist that because marriage isn't mentioned, equal protection doesn't apply to marriage, then we are back to overturning Loving because marriage isn't in the constitution. Equal protection doesn't mention race either, chief.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Where is marriage listed in the Constitution?

    For at least the 3rd time now...


    Do you believe that the Constitution is a list of rights and if a right is not enumerated there that they are not held by the people?



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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Marriage isn't an equal protection issue, never has been
    Numerous Supreme Court decisions disagree with you. As do I.

    Marriage is enshrined in laws. Equal protection of the laws. Therefore equal protection applies to marriage laws. Reread the 9th amendment.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Marriage isn't an equal protection issue, never has been

    The SCOTUS disagrees ruling in 1967 that it was an equal protection issue. That even though coloreds could marry, just so long as it was other coloreds, and that whites could marry, just so long as it was other wites - that even though they were treated the same - it was an equal protection violation.


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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Doesn't matter. Equal protection applies to the laws, not enumerated rights.

    If you insist that because marriage isn't mentioned, equal protection doesn't apply to marriage, then we are back to overturning Loving because marriage isn't in the constitution. Equal protection doesn't mention race either, chief.
    Equal rights refers to anything listed in the Constitution. Where did you get your basic civics education?

    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

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