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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The majority, in a single vote in time, despite some people's beliefs about this, are not the final deciders of law in the US. This is an issue covered by the Constitution, no matter how much you want to deny it.

    Marriage is controlled by the states and still must abide by equal protection.

    Example, driving is not a right. However, getting a driver's license cannot be limited based on your age, sex, race, disability, etc. unless the people/government/state can show that doing so furthers a state interest. This is why it is constitutionally fine for driving to be restricted by a minimum age but however a state could not arbitrarily decide that at 50 you have to give up your driver's license for a month, a year, 5 years, or for the rest of your life just because. The state cannot decide that only women can have driver's licenses or only Asians. They would have to show how doing this furthers a legitimate state interest, at least.
    You claimed that the majority are for SSM and I asked you a question, what was the vote in North Carolina on the issue? You want badly to believe Marriage is in the Constitution but it isn't. Activist justices are trying to put it there ignoring the will of the people. Any law not listed in the Constitution is left to the states to decide and that relates to marriage.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The federal government isn't changing it. The 14th amendment issue. Your claim that it "has nothing to do with state laws" is absurd, it outright says it applies to state laws.
    That is your opinion but since it isn't in the Constitution it is left to the states and that is where it belongs. Our Founders created that principle, history isn't your friend.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    They said everyone had the same right to marry someone of the same race. Why was that constitutionally unsound, but everyone has the right to marry someone of the opposite gender is acceptable?
    It was a race issue not a SSM as this was between two consenting adults of different sexes.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    1. Many States busy passwing amendments a decade ago banned BOTH Civil Marriages and Civil Unions. Here is the way my State worded it:

    Section 15-A. Marriage.

    That only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this Commonwealth and its political subdivisions. This Commonwealth and its political subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance, or effects of marriage. Nor shall this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions create or recognize another union, partnership, or other legal status to which is assigned the rights, benefits, obligations, qualities, or effects of marriage.



    2, Even with Civil Unions in some states, they often don't function the same under State law and no Civil Unions are recognized by the Federal government.



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    Then focus on getting the Federal Govt. to recognize civil unions. Seems simple to me

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Marriage equality. That's really the right phrase because this isn't about equal rights for people.

    I hope my state has the distinction of being the last to succumb to liberal social engineering.
    But shouldn't the same "right to choose" who you wish to spend the rest of your life with from one human being to another as consenting adults be extend to gay and lesbian couples same as they eventually came to be granted to slaves and mixed raced couples? I get that this is a moral issue, but so were mixed marriages at one point and to an extent slave marriages as well.

    It's about equal protection under the law - in this case, protecting the rights of individuals who by any other name are living in a "common-law committed relationship" being denied their right to receive the same legal benefits as any other straight married couple. Convoluting the problem is the fact that "marriage" is a legal practice regulated (licensed) by the states, but the protections afforded to all married couples whether state-licensed or common-law recognized is adhered to by the federal government.
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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is your opinion but since it isn't in the Constitution it is left to the states and that is where it belongs. Our Founders created that principle, history isn't your friend.
    Literally no court agrees that equal protection only applies to constitutionally enumerated rights, and our founders wrote the 9th amendment purely to dispense with the opinion you are expressing right now.

    equal protection of THE LAWS. All of them.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Then focus on getting the Federal Govt. to recognize civil unions. Seems simple to me
    Or simply allow all consenting adults to marry other consenting adults. Even simpler.
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    In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It was a race issue not a SSM as this was between two consenting adults of different sexes.
    so you think equal protection doesn't cover gender?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Literally no court agrees that equal protection only applies to constitutionally enumerated rights, and our founders wrote the 9th amendment purely to dispense with the opinion you are expressing right now.

    equal protection of THE LAWS. All of them.
    Where is marriage listed in the Constitution?

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is your opinion but since it isn't in the Constitution it is left to the states and that is where it belongs. Our Founders created that principle, history isn't your friend.


    1. Interracial marriage wasn't listed specifically in the Constitution, how'd that turn out for Texas that barred interracial marriage?


    2. Again are you of the opinion that a right must be enumerated in the Constitution to be held by the people?


    3. You realize that a Federal requirement for equal protection and due process IS in the Constitution right?



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