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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

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    Loving was an issue of race not marriage. I was married to my wife for over 40 years and we have two well adjusted kids as well. I lost my wife to cancer last year and have over 40 years of wonderful memories.

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    The Constitution does not specifically mention freedom to marry, but it is settled that the "liberty" protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment embraces more than those freedoms expressly enumerated in the Bill of Rights.



    Another case that over turned State laws on marriage based on the 14th that wasn't based on race.


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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Human rights do not belong on a ballot. If that where the case slavery would not have ended, women would still not be voting, interracial marriages would never be granted, etc, etc. I mean are you serious? What do you think the will of the majority was when these issues where the hot topic of the day? It was only because the small margin of people who fought to circumvent the will of the majority that these things are no more.
    Marriage isn't a human right, it is common law and a privilege. Ever American has the same right to marry anyone of the opposite sex that will have them. Civil unions are there for those who want the economic benefits.

    See what I mean about the passion on this issue? Wow, get involved in something important like getting rid of Obama and turning the economy around.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I believe in tradition, history, and precedence not sexual orientation
    What you believe in is discrimination.

    You can try and justify it any way you want, but the fact of the matter is this is about equal protection.

    You cited your story as a reason why marriage is such a positive thing... well here you are trying to deny it to others based solely on one aspect of them as a person.

    Could you imagine how you'd feel if someone did that to you?

    If you were denied those 40 years because of some arbitrary social construct of the time including in the not so distant past race...

    Conservative the issue is settled.

    It will be the law of the land.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

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    Equal protection has nothing to do with state and local laws. Show me marriage in the Constitution and I will agree with you

    Are you of the opinion that rights must be enumerated in the Constitution for them to be held by the people?



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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    What you believe in is discrimination.

    You can try and justify it any way you want, but the fact of the matter is this is about equal protection.

    You cited your story as a reason why marriage is such a positive thing... well here you are trying to deny it to others based solely on one aspect of them as a person.

    Could you imagine how you'd feel if someone did that to you?

    If you were denied those 40 years because of some arbitrary social construct of the time including in the not so distant past race...

    Conservative the issue is settled.

    It will be the law of the land.
    Look, I am done with this topic, You aren't going to change my mind or me change yours. There is a lot of discrimination in common law but you pick and choose what you want to apply to discrimination.

    I couldn't care less about what others think of me but my opinion stands, marriage is a union between a man and a woman. It has been that way for centuries and it isn't the Federal Government's business to change it. States control marriage and that is the way it should be. Show me marriage in the Constitution. When it becomes the law of the land I will still be against it just like I am against abortion.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You make my point, what you believe is right is all that matters not what the majority in the states believe. You buy the polls but don't look at the internals nor do you look at what happens when this issue is put on the ballot even in your own state. what was the vote in your state? How can you claim the majority of the people in North Carolina support SSM? This isn't a Constitutional issue and never has been. Marriage isn't a right, it is common law and controlled by the states
    The majority, in a single vote in time, despite some people's beliefs about this, are not the final deciders of law in the US. This is an issue covered by the Constitution, no matter how much you want to deny it.

    Marriage is controlled by the states and still must abide by equal protection.

    Example, driving is not a right. However, getting a driver's license cannot be limited based on your age, sex, race, disability, etc. unless the people/government/state can show that doing so furthers a state interest. This is why it is constitutionally fine for driving to be restricted by a minimum age but however a state could not arbitrarily decide that at 50 you have to give up your driver's license for a month, a year, 5 years, or for the rest of your life just because. The state cannot decide that only women can have driver's licenses or only Asians. They would have to show how doing this furthers a legitimate state interest, at least.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Marriage isn't a human right, it is common law and a privilege. Ever American has the same right to marry anyone of the opposite sex that will have them. Civil unions are there for those who want the economic benefits.

    1. Many States busy passwing amendments a decade ago banned BOTH Civil Marriages and Civil Unions. Here is the way my State worded it:

    Section 15-A. Marriage.

    That only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this Commonwealth and its political subdivisions. This Commonwealth and its political subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance, or effects of marriage. Nor shall this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions create or recognize another union, partnership, or other legal status to which is assigned the rights, benefits, obligations, qualities, or effects of marriage.



    2, Even with Civil Unions in some states, they often don't function the same under State law and no Civil Unions are recognized by the Federal government.



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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Look, I am done with this topic, You aren't going to change my mind or me change yours. There is a lot of discrimination in common law but you pick and choose what you want to apply to discrimination.

    I couldn't care less about what others think of me but my opinion stands, marriage is a union between a man and a woman. It has been that way for centuries and it isn't the Federal Government's business to change it. States control marriage and that is the way it should be. Show me marriage in the Constitution. When it becomes the law of the land I will still be against it just like I am against abortion.
    The federal government isn't changing it. The 14th amendment issue. Your claim that it "has nothing to do with state laws" is absurd, it outright says it applies to state laws.
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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Marriage isn't a human right, it is common law and a privilege. Ever American has the same right to marry anyone of the opposite sex that will have them. Civil unions are there for those who want the economic benefits.


    First of all, it is a right. And No Homosexuals are not afforded the right to marry the sex that they are attracted to. Heterosexuals are. That is where the disparity lies. Try again.

    & for the hundredth time, Civil Unions are not equal to Marriages -

    Marriage Compared to Civil Unions | LegalMatch Law Library

    What Are the Differences between Marriage and Civil Unions?
    There are significant differences between the benefits and responsibilities of marriage and civil unions. People who are married usually enjoy more benefits than those in civil unions, including:

    Legal recognition of the relationship in other states
    The ability to divorce in any state, regardless of where married
    Tax benefits available to married couples only
    Immigration benefits when petitioning for a non-citizen spouse
    Federal benefits, such as social security, medical, and life insurance
    And even if they where the same - Separate but Equal is not Equality. That's why it didn't work for African Americans, or were you too in favor of segregating schools, buses, and water fountains?

    See what I mean about the passion on this issue? Wow, get involved in something important like getting rid of Obama and turning the economy around.
    I see an impassioned bigot trying to feign indifference to an issue while simultaneously responding to every refutation to his tired, fallacious, and weak points.
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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Marriage isn't a human right, it is common law and a privilege. Ever American has the same right to marry anyone of the opposite sex that will have them. Civil unions are there for those who want the economic benefits.

    See what I mean about the passion on this issue? Wow, get involved in something important like getting rid of Obama and turning the economy around.

    They said everyone had the same right to marry someone of the same race. Why was that constitutionally unsound, but everyone has the right to marry someone of the opposite gender is acceptable?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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