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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    You really think anyone's going to care if you personally hold fingers in ears and wear a blindfold every time a gay couple gets hitched. All they want is the rights and legal equality. It doesn't affect you in the least, so you'd be taken more sincerely if you dropped the martyr crap.
    This is always a mystery to me. They recently moved, but we had a gay couple living four houses down the street. I don't know if they were married or not, and I can't imagine how my life would be affected in the slightest if they were, or weren't. I no more care about their 'marriage' status than I do about the marriage status of Newt Gingrich. He's been divorced and married twice since I got married and none of those events affected me or my marriage in the slightest.

    And let's say you are concerned about the "institution" of marriage. First of all, the biggest threat to traditional marriage in my part of the world is by straight couples divorcing or never marrying. But I've yet to understand how preventing same sex couples from marrying strengthens "traditional" marriage. For myself, I deeply value my marriage, love my wife, she's been there for me during some very tough times, and I want everyone to have what I have. It increases happiness in the world around me. How can my well being, or society's well being, improve by denying what I have to others? I'm at a loss....

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Pedophiles don't have the right to marry who they genuinely love and are sexually attracted to, either. What makes you think there is some right to marry whatever you genuinely love and are sexually attracted to?
    Let's see, sex and marriage to underage children is ILLEGAL, being gay and having a consentual homosexual relationship is not. Way to keep riding that fail train in idiotic comparisons. And you wonder why Cons are losing this fight, they can't even make logical comparisons.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Playing the "pedophile" card is pretty weak. It's right up there with bestiality as a legitimate argument against SSM, which involves two consenting, competent, sane adults who are capable of the same love for their partner as you are. BTW, if the "whatever you genuinely love" word choice was intentional, you're flying the bigotry flag pretty high! Gays aren't a "what" they're human beings same as you.

    Besides, what makes you think there is some right for you to pick and choose who can and cannot get married? Like you, I'm over 50 and no one has ever asked me permission to get married.
    The "pedophile card" isn't weak at all if the argument is that people should be allowed to marry whatever they love and want to have sex with. It might not be an argument against homosexual marriage, but it's certainly proof that there's no right to marry whatever you want to have sex with and that was the argument I was responding to.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Pedophiles don't have the right to marry who they genuinely love and are sexually attracted to, either. What makes you think there is some right to marry whatever you genuinely love and are sexually attracted to?
    Marriage is a contract, children are legally unable to enter into contracts. Do try again though, it's so much fun to watch you make a fool of yourself.
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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Marriage is a contract, children are legally unable to enter into contracts. Do try again though, it's so much fun to watch you make a fool of yourself.
    The point was valid. There is no right to marry whatever you have "feelings for".
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    The point was valid. There is no right to marry whatever you have "feelings for".
    Between two consenting adults, there is no legal reason why they cannot enter into a legal contract, which is all marriage is.
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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No man, he's correct on one part. It does impact his state taxes. He believes in higher taxes for homosexuals. Probably just being jealous, wanting to redistribute their wealth. That's the usual excuse for supporting higher taxes, right?
    The funniest part is that it has been shown that same sex couples being allowed to marry actually helps us when it comes to the taxes. It has been determined that there is likely to be a net positive for our public coffers when it comes to marriage.
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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    The "pedophile card" isn't weak at all if the argument is that people should be allowed to marry whatever they love and want to have sex with. It might not be an argument against homosexual marriage, but it's certainly proof that there's no right to marry whatever you want to have sex with and that was the argument I was responding to.
    No one has made an argument that you should be able to marry your cat or your dog or the sex doll you have in the closet (these "whats") or children who society has a duty to protect and who the law recognizes in 100 ways aren't capable of making informed choices, especially when it comes to sex and marriage. Those are nice, inviting straw men pulled out by people like you floundering for an argument not based on bigotry.

    The SSM debate is about two consenting adults, people just like you with emotions like you and a desire for love and intimacy like you, who want to make a commitment to one another same as straight couples. At least have the courtesy to address the subject head on.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    The point was valid. There is no right to marry whatever you have "feelings for".
    That's BS. No one is making the assertion that people have a right to marry "WHATever" they have feelings for. These are people - adults - in consensual, loving relationships.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    State endorsement of marriage at the state level is very much about taxes. Homosexual marriage will lower state and federal revenues. Basically, it's a tax dodge for homosexuals.
    Proven wrong.

    Same-sex marriage: Good for the economy | Arkansas Blog | Arkansas news, politics, opinion, restaurants, music, movies and art

    The Economic Benefits of Gay Marriage | The Rundown | PBS NewsHour

    In fact, the research was done over 10 years ago to show this and no research since has contradicted it.

    http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...exmarriage.pdf
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