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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Denying gay people the right to be married while granting that right to straight people in an unconstitutional restriction on gay people's rights.
    You are entitled to your opinion. Mine is that marriage isn't a right. You don't have a right to have a state issue you a marriage license for any model of relationship you want to have. The state defines the relationship models that fit; not you. The state is responsible for state sanctioned marriage; not you. You can live with anyone you want and love anyone you want and have sex with anyone that can consent to having sex with you. But you can't force the state to sanction your relationship.

    But like I said. You are entitled to whatever opinion you wish on the matter.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So you are upset every time the court overturns any law?
    Of course not.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Homosexuals should pursue that instead of trying to mimic the heterosexual model that they detest.
    This is the point at which you crossed the line into overgeneralization and prejudice.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    You are entitled to your opinion. Mine is that marriage isn't a right. You don't have a right to have a state issue you a marriage license for any model of relationship you want to have. The state defines the relationship models that fit; not you. The state is responsible for state sanctioned marriage; not you. You can live with anyone you want and love anyone you want and have sex with anyone that can consent to having sex with you. But you can't force the state to sanction your relationship.

    But like I said. You are entitled to whatever opinion you wish on the matter.
    and your opinion has been factually proven wrong, marriage is a right. SO your opinion is meaningless while others have the facts
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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Note that the states aren't banning homosexual liaisons. A state's ban on gay marriage is a statement that it is not going to be coerced into normalizing homosexuality and sanctioning homosexual unions and giving tax incentives for people to enter into homosexual unions. The "benefit" is that they don't have to jump through whatever hoops homosexuals want. Unless a state sees a benefit in doing so, it shouldn't be made to do so and this state sees no benefit in sanctioning homosexual unions as "marriage" and I think my state's decision is a wise one.
    You keep bouncing back and forth between saying equal rights would be fine but then insist that homosexuals not be sanctioned by equal treatment under the law. Seriously, stop pretending you ever supported civil unions.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Of course not.
    But they don't have the power to do that, it's the end of our constitutional republic!
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Changing Attitudes on Gay Marriage | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    You're not 'we the people. You're one person and most people in the USA don't agree with your ideas. Read a few polls.
    here is a poll by Pew
    And if this polling were accurate then why do the end run? Why not just enact the will of the people?

    This is not about what is being done, but how it's being done. It very much matters how we get there.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    You keep trying to frame it as an equal rights issue and it isn't.

    It is an equal rights issue and that's why the courts will support it no matter what you say.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post

    And if this polling were accurate then why do the end run? Why not just enact the will of the people?

    This is not about what is being done, but how it's being done. It very much matters how we get there.
    Yes, and the courts stepping in to overturn an unconstituonal impedement to individual liberty is exactly how it should work. Rights of the minority shouldn't have to wait until the majority approves.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    This is the point at which you crossed the line into overgeneralization and prejudice.
    I should have restricted that to the multitude of homosexuals who use slurs like "breeders" when referring to heterosexuals.... and those like my brother that think marriage is a farce that homosexuals are too smart to get involved in.... or at least that was his position before homosexual marriage became the politically correct cause for homosexuals like himself. It is a generalization. But it's not an "overgeneralization" nor is it a prejudice. I know there are exceptions, but most homosexuals I've known (and I've known a LOT of them) always thought marriage was a "hetero" thing until very recent years and I'm very suspicious of the motivation for this sudden embracing of homosexual marriage by a community that previously thought it was the dumbest institution man ever created.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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