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    Breach of protocol led to Ebola outbreak

    'Breach of protocol' led to Ebola infection of Dallas hospital worker who treated Liberian

    The hospital worker, a woman who was not identified by officials, wore protective gear while treating the Liberian patient, and she has been unable to point to how the breach might have occurred, said Dr. Tom Frieden, head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Duncan was the first person in the U.S. diagnosed with Ebola.

    The CDC confirmed Sunday afternoon that the woman had tested positive for Ebola -- the first known case of the disease being contracted or transmitted in the U.S.


    Read more: 'Breach of protocol' led to Ebola infection of Dallas hospital worker who treated Liberian | CP24.com



    If it's indeed breach of protocol - this would be either due to incompetence, or negligence. That a breach had happened before (involving Duncan) at this same hospital....is not so reassuring, to say the least.

    Furthermore, how sure are they that this latest outbreak is due to breach of protocol?

    Do these health experts really know that much about Ebola? Could ebola have mutated that it's even more so highly contagious now? Somehow I get the sense that what we're being told in news conferences are just something to avoid panic.

    If they're not sure about ebola, they should just say so, and start advising people to be more cautious in public.
    What do you think?

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    Re: Breach of protocol led to Ebola outbreak

    Quote Originally Posted by tosca1 View Post
    Furthermore, how sure are they that this latest outbreak is due to breach of protocol?
    I don't think they are 100% sure but it seems like the most likely explanation by far.

    Quote Originally Posted by tosca1 View Post
    Do these health experts really know that much about Ebola? Could ebola have mutated that it's even more so highly contagious now? Somehow I get the sense that what we're being told in news conferences are just something to avoid panic.
    They know plenty. A mutation of Ebola making it just "more contagious" still wouldn't explain the nurse contracting if all the protective measures were followed to the letter. A mutation that would allow it to somehow circumvent such measures would likely affect a lot more than just one of the many staff who will have treated him.

    I also get the sense what we're being told is to try to avoid panic. That doesn't mean what we're being told is untrue though. Trying to avoid panic is a good thing. Trying to create it is not.

    Quote Originally Posted by tosca1 View Post
    If they're not sure about ebola, they should just say so, and start advising people to be more cautious in public.
    I don't think there are any measures the general public need to take beyond normal hygiene and common sense. What are you suggesting?

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    Re: Breach of protocol led to Ebola outbreak

    Mutations don't make virus's into magical beings. They have to physically pass barriers somehow. if the barrier is present, they can't pass.
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    Re: Breach of protocol led to Ebola outbreak

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Mutations don't make virus's into magical beings. They have to physically pass barriers somehow. if the barrier is present, they can't pass.
    I would think that depends on the permeability of the barrier.

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    Re: Breach of protocol led to Ebola outbreak

    The breach was the allowed travel of a Liberian National out of a Nation in the middle of a Ebola outbreak.

    Its going to get ugly if she doesn't survive.

    People dont trust this administration already and the CDs continued mitigations aren't going to mean a hill of beans if a healthy young woman with access to the best health care in the world doesn't survive.

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    Re: Breach of protocol led to Ebola outbreak

    Quote Originally Posted by tosca1 View Post
    'Breach of protocol' led to Ebola infection of Dallas hospital worker who treated Liberian

    The hospital worker, a woman who was not identified by officials, wore protective gear while treating the Liberian patient, and she has been unable to point to how the breach might have occurred, said Dr. Tom Frieden, head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Duncan was the first person in the U.S. diagnosed with Ebola.

    The CDC confirmed Sunday afternoon that the woman had tested positive for Ebola -- the first known case of the disease being contracted or transmitted in the U.S.


    Read more: 'Breach of protocol' led to Ebola infection of Dallas hospital worker who treated Liberian | CP24.com



    If it's indeed breach of protocol - this would be either due to incompetence, or negligence. That a breach had happened before (involving Duncan) at this same hospital....is not so reassuring, to say the least.

    Furthermore, how sure are they that this latest outbreak is due to breach of protocol?

    Do these health experts really know that much about Ebola? Could ebola have mutated that it's even more so highly contagious now? Somehow I get the sense that what we're being told in news conferences are just something to avoid panic.

    If they're not sure about ebola, they should just say so, and start advising people to be more cautious in public.
    What do you think?
    PA and Paramedic here. Its very possible that there was some body substance isolation "breaches" here. The hospital almost certainly has an isolation ward/room for the patient but at the same time these are very "messy" patients with highly contagious vomit, diarrhea, and even bleeding from mucous membranes including around the eyes.

    Iso precautions are never 100% effective, even with much less contagious diseases-in fact hospital acquired infections are very common. There are supposed to be infection control nurses/staff also making the rounds looking for people who aren't abiding by the rules-and yet clearly it still happens. The fact that they are claiming a violation of iso precautions or at least protocols hints to them identifying a source-but then again the CDC hasn't exactly been doing a great job in covering this outbreak.

    Thats probably what happened-however we also don't know much about ebola. Its not a common disease, and its natural environment is the boonies of west africa-not very conducive to study. Its very likely that the virion has mutated to some degree over the years, and we'd be more likely to see the more dangerous versions, but thats only going by the common traits of virions. Very few people working on that patient had likely even seen ebola before.

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    Re: Breach of protocol led to Ebola outbreak

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The breach was the allowed travel of a Liberian National out of a Nation in the middle of a Ebola outbreak.

    Its going to get ugly if she doesn't survive.

    People dont trust this administration already and the CDs continued mitigations aren't going to mean a hill of beans if a healthy young woman with access to the best health care in the world doesn't survive.
    Im inclined to agree-we should ban travel from these west african nations for 90 days after the last known patient has recovered or died.

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    Re: Breach of protocol led to Ebola outbreak

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Mutations don't make virus's into magical beings. They have to physically pass barriers somehow. if the barrier is present, they can't pass.
    Mutations are random, some make a virus more dangerous, some less, some see no change. A portal of entry is always needed, but this virus produces a huge output of communicable material. Look at how common colds and flu's are. Its easier to get a viral infection than any other pathogen.

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    Re: Breach of protocol led to Ebola outbreak

    Quote Originally Posted by tosca1 View Post
    'Breach of protocol' led to Ebola infection of Dallas hospital worker who treated Liberian

    The hospital worker, a woman who was not identified by officials, wore protective gear while treating the Liberian patient, and she has been unable to point to how the breach might have occurred, said Dr. Tom Frieden, head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Duncan was the first person in the U.S. diagnosed with Ebola.

    The CDC confirmed Sunday afternoon that the woman had tested positive for Ebola -- the first known case of the disease being contracted or transmitted in the U.S.


    Read more: 'Breach of protocol' led to Ebola infection of Dallas hospital worker who treated Liberian | CP24.com



    If it's indeed breach of protocol - this would be either due to incompetence, or negligence. That a breach had happened before (involving Duncan) at this same hospital....is not so reassuring, to say the least.

    Furthermore, how sure are they that this latest outbreak is due to breach of protocol?

    Do these health experts really know that much about Ebola? Could ebola have mutated that it's even more so highly contagious now? Somehow I get the sense that what we're being told in news conferences are just something to avoid panic.

    If they're not sure about ebola, they should just say so, and start advising people to be more cautious in public.
    What do you think?
    Maybe we aren't sure about it's contagion possibilities. I've heard there's danger of it mutating. Maybe it can mutate into being airborne. But how on earth would one be more cautious in public? Only thing I can come up with is to stop wishing fellow parishioners peace during service with a handshake. And that's probably a good policy anyhow.
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    Re: Breach of protocol led to Ebola outbreak

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Maybe we aren't sure about it's contagion possibilities. I've heard there's danger of it mutating. Maybe it can mutate into being airborne. But how on earth would one be more cautious in public? Only thing I can come up with is to stop wishing fellow parishioners peace during service with a handshake. And that's probably a good policy anyhow.
    Washing hands. I also like to wipe down things like computers, door knobs, phones, keys, etc. That will cut down on many viruses.

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