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Breach of protocol led to Ebola outbreak

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'Breach of protocol' led to Ebola infection of Dallas hospital worker who treated Liberian

The hospital worker, a woman who was not identified by officials, wore protective gear while treating the Liberian patient, and she has been unable to point to how the breach might have occurred, said Dr. Tom Frieden, head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Duncan was the first person in the U.S. diagnosed with Ebola.

The CDC confirmed Sunday afternoon that the woman had tested positive for Ebola -- the first known case of the disease being contracted or transmitted in the U.S.


Read more: 'Breach of protocol' led to Ebola infection of Dallas hospital worker who treated Liberian | CP24.com



If it's indeed breach of protocol - this would be either due to incompetence, or negligence. That a breach had happened before (involving Duncan) at this same hospital....is not so reassuring, to say the least.

Furthermore, how sure are they that this latest outbreak is due to breach of protocol?

Do these health experts really know that much about Ebola? Could ebola have mutated that it's even more so highly contagious now? Somehow I get the sense that what we're being told in news conferences are just something to avoid panic.

If they're not sure about ebola, they should just say so, and start advising people to be more cautious in public.
What do you think?
 
Furthermore, how sure are they that this latest outbreak is due to breach of protocol?
I don't think they are 100% sure but it seems like the most likely explanation by far.

Do these health experts really know that much about Ebola? Could ebola have mutated that it's even more so highly contagious now? Somehow I get the sense that what we're being told in news conferences are just something to avoid panic.
They know plenty. A mutation of Ebola making it just "more contagious" still wouldn't explain the nurse contracting if all the protective measures were followed to the letter. A mutation that would allow it to somehow circumvent such measures would likely affect a lot more than just one of the many staff who will have treated him.

I also get the sense what we're being told is to try to avoid panic. That doesn't mean what we're being told is untrue though. Trying to avoid panic is a good thing. Trying to create it is not.

If they're not sure about ebola, they should just say so, and start advising people to be more cautious in public.
I don't think there are any measures the general public need to take beyond normal hygiene and common sense. What are you suggesting?
 
Mutations don't make virus's into magical beings. They have to physically pass barriers somehow. if the barrier is present, they can't pass.
 
Mutations don't make virus's into magical beings. They have to physically pass barriers somehow. if the barrier is present, they can't pass.

I would think that depends on the permeability of the barrier.
 
The breach was the allowed travel of a Liberian National out of a Nation in the middle of a Ebola outbreak.

Its going to get ugly if she doesn't survive.

People dont trust this administration already and the CDs continued mitigations aren't going to mean a hill of beans if a healthy young woman with access to the best health care in the world doesn't survive.
 
'Breach of protocol' led to Ebola infection of Dallas hospital worker who treated Liberian

The hospital worker, a woman who was not identified by officials, wore protective gear while treating the Liberian patient, and she has been unable to point to how the breach might have occurred, said Dr. Tom Frieden, head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Duncan was the first person in the U.S. diagnosed with Ebola.

The CDC confirmed Sunday afternoon that the woman had tested positive for Ebola -- the first known case of the disease being contracted or transmitted in the U.S.


Read more: 'Breach of protocol' led to Ebola infection of Dallas hospital worker who treated Liberian | CP24.com



If it's indeed breach of protocol - this would be either due to incompetence, or negligence. That a breach had happened before (involving Duncan) at this same hospital....is not so reassuring, to say the least.

Furthermore, how sure are they that this latest outbreak is due to breach of protocol?

Do these health experts really know that much about Ebola? Could ebola have mutated that it's even more so highly contagious now? Somehow I get the sense that what we're being told in news conferences are just something to avoid panic.

If they're not sure about ebola, they should just say so, and start advising people to be more cautious in public.
What do you think?

PA and Paramedic here. Its very possible that there was some body substance isolation "breaches" here. The hospital almost certainly has an isolation ward/room for the patient but at the same time these are very "messy" patients with highly contagious vomit, diarrhea, and even bleeding from mucous membranes including around the eyes.

Iso precautions are never 100% effective, even with much less contagious diseases-in fact hospital acquired infections are very common. There are supposed to be infection control nurses/staff also making the rounds looking for people who aren't abiding by the rules-and yet clearly it still happens. The fact that they are claiming a violation of iso precautions or at least protocols hints to them identifying a source-but then again the CDC hasn't exactly been doing a great job in covering this outbreak.

Thats probably what happened-however we also don't know much about ebola. Its not a common disease, and its natural environment is the boonies of west africa-not very conducive to study. Its very likely that the virion has mutated to some degree over the years, and we'd be more likely to see the more dangerous versions, but thats only going by the common traits of virions. Very few people working on that patient had likely even seen ebola before.
 
The breach was the allowed travel of a Liberian National out of a Nation in the middle of a Ebola outbreak.

Its going to get ugly if she doesn't survive.

People dont trust this administration already and the CDs continued mitigations aren't going to mean a hill of beans if a healthy young woman with access to the best health care in the world doesn't survive.

Im inclined to agree-we should ban travel from these west african nations for 90 days after the last known patient has recovered or died.
 
Mutations don't make virus's into magical beings. They have to physically pass barriers somehow. if the barrier is present, they can't pass.

Mutations are random, some make a virus more dangerous, some less, some see no change. A portal of entry is always needed, but this virus produces a huge output of communicable material. Look at how common colds and flu's are. Its easier to get a viral infection than any other pathogen.
 
'Breach of protocol' led to Ebola infection of Dallas hospital worker who treated Liberian

The hospital worker, a woman who was not identified by officials, wore protective gear while treating the Liberian patient, and she has been unable to point to how the breach might have occurred, said Dr. Tom Frieden, head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Duncan was the first person in the U.S. diagnosed with Ebola.

The CDC confirmed Sunday afternoon that the woman had tested positive for Ebola -- the first known case of the disease being contracted or transmitted in the U.S.


Read more: 'Breach of protocol' led to Ebola infection of Dallas hospital worker who treated Liberian | CP24.com



If it's indeed breach of protocol - this would be either due to incompetence, or negligence. That a breach had happened before (involving Duncan) at this same hospital....is not so reassuring, to say the least.

Furthermore, how sure are they that this latest outbreak is due to breach of protocol?

Do these health experts really know that much about Ebola? Could ebola have mutated that it's even more so highly contagious now? Somehow I get the sense that what we're being told in news conferences are just something to avoid panic.

If they're not sure about ebola, they should just say so, and start advising people to be more cautious in public.
What do you think?

Maybe we aren't sure about it's contagion possibilities. I've heard there's danger of it mutating. Maybe it can mutate into being airborne. But how on earth would one be more cautious in public? Only thing I can come up with is to stop wishing fellow parishioners peace during service with a handshake. And that's probably a good policy anyhow.
 
Maybe we aren't sure about it's contagion possibilities. I've heard there's danger of it mutating. Maybe it can mutate into being airborne. But how on earth would one be more cautious in public? Only thing I can come up with is to stop wishing fellow parishioners peace during service with a handshake. And that's probably a good policy anyhow.

Washing hands. I also like to wipe down things like computers, door knobs, phones, keys, etc. That will cut down on many viruses.
 
I would think that depends on the permeability of the barrier.

yes. It depends on that, and not on any particular mutation of the virus. there's no genetic change that lets you walk through walls.
 
Maybe we aren't sure about it's contagion possibilities. I've heard there's danger of it mutating. Maybe it can mutate into being airborne. But how on earth would one be more cautious in public? Only thing I can come up with is to stop wishing fellow parishioners peace during service with a handshake. And that's probably a good policy anyhow.

There's danger of Ebola mutating to become airborne much like there's danger of an asteroid striking your house tomorrow. It can theoretically happen, but we have no evidence suggesting it will and planning your life around that possibility seems foolish.
 
Washing hands. I also like to wipe down things like computers, door knobs, phones, keys, etc. That will cut down on many viruses.

Why does everyone discussing this subject make the idea of travel restrictions into 100% block or nothing?

It was NEVER the "Plan", before Obama, to block ALL travel to Hot Zones.

It was the plan to stop travel for Tourism, Non-Essential Business, and non-disease related research.

It was the plan to require those returning from Hot Zones to go through thorough monitoring, including a period of remote location isolation.

That is not at all the same thing as blocking all travel to and from a Hot Zone!

Why limit the options, in the discussion, to the two extremes, rather than include what was the decades long held "Plan" before President Obama.

If we had held to the "Plan" then the guy from Dallas, Thomas Duncan, would have had the option to travel to Liberia, and back again, for essential familial reasons, but on his return, for the protection of his family, and many others, he would need to spend several weeks in government provided, free of charge, Isolation.

Given that option, any loving and responsible family member, would have opted to go the official route, to protect their family.

Anyone deliberately evading the requirement is a Terrorist!

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yes. It depends on that, and not on any particular mutation of the virus. there's no genetic change that lets you walk through walls.

That you know of.
 
Why does everyone discussing this subject make the idea of travel restrictions into 100% block or nothing?

It was NEVER the "Plan", before Obama, to block ALL travel to Hot Zones.

It was the plan to stop travel for Tourism, Non-Essential Business, and non-disease related research.

It was the plan to require those returning from Hot Zones to go through thorough monitoring, including a period of remote location isolation.

That is not at all the same thing as blocking all travel to and from a Hot Zone!

Why limit the options, in the discussion, to the two extremes, rather than include what was the decades long held "Plan" before President Obama.

If we had held to the "Plan" then the guy from Dallas, Thomas Duncan, would have had the option to travel to Liberia, and back again, for essential familial reasons, but on his return, for the protection of his family, and many others, he would need to spend several weeks in government provided, free of charge, Isolation.

Given that option, any loving and responsible family member, would have opted to go the official route, to protect their family.

Anyone deliberately evading the requirement is a Terrorist!

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Heres my view-Closing entry from a country currently experiencing the greatest health threat since HIV is warranted. Im not saying people can't go there, Im saying they should not be able to come here. Just until the pandemic with a 50-90% mortality rate dies down.

Beyond that, the current plan has demonstrably failed-that says enough for me.
 
That you know of.

We also don't know of a genetic mutation that would turn every ebola virus cell into a nuclear warhead, thereby instantly destroying the entire planet. I'm going to go ahead and plan on that not happening.
 
There's danger of Ebola mutating to become airborne much like there's danger of an asteroid striking your house tomorrow. It can theoretically happen, but we have no evidence suggesting it will and planning your life around that possibility seems foolish.

There is an adequate viral load in one drop of saliva for the right cough, sneeze, or splatter of body fluid to transmit the disease-and that effect would be magnified in confined quarters. It seems to me that being cautious is appropriate.
 
Heres my view-Closing entry from a country currently experiencing the greatest health threat since HIV is warranted. Im not saying people can't go there, Im saying they should not be able to come here. Just until the pandemic with a 50-90% mortality rate dies down.

Beyond that, the current plan has demonstrably failed-that says enough for me.

What if I told you there was another virus that kills more people every year than ebola kills in a decade, and that it transmits easier, and that we aren't using any quarantine protocols?
 
There is an adequate viral load in one drop of saliva for the right cough, sneeze, or splatter of body fluid to transmit the disease-and that effect would be magnified in confined quarters. It seems to me that being cautious is appropriate.

Yes, but this conversation is about ebola developing magical powers to pass through solid objects. So don't talk to me about caution.
 
Anyway, I'm musing -

It probably wouldn't matter anyway especially in industrialized countries such as ours. Unless ebola really starts wildly sweeping across the country - can we actually afford the drastic measures it takes to prevent it from spreading?

It seems like being caught between a hard place and a rock.

Think of children for example. We know how easily flu or colds is passed on by children.

Can we afford to close down daycares, and tell parents to keep their children at home?
What's the repercussion to our economy?
 
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Yes, but this conversation is about ebola developing magical powers to pass through solid objects. So don't talk to me about caution.

Allowing for the possibility of a more virulent mutation is one of the many things the CDC is currently studying. Where did you do your microbiology, virology, clinical medicine, and pathology studies?
 
Yes, but this conversation is about ebola developing magical powers to pass through solid objects. So don't talk to me about caution.


Are we sure it isn't airborne yet? Or, some people are highly susceptible to get it compared to others?

Duncan was sweating and having diarrhea prior to his second hospital visit. How come the people living with him didn't get it, yet nobody's wearing any elaborate protective gears?
 
What if I told you there was another virus that kills more people every year than ebola kills in a decade, and that it transmits easier, and that we aren't using any quarantine protocols?

How many times have we had an ebola outbreak of THIS MAGNITUDE?

Why is World Health Organization so concerned?

Did WHO compare that virus you menationed with ebola?

Okay....I'm curious. What virus is that?
 
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