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    Re: Breach of protocol led to Ebola outbreak

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I would think that depends on the permeability of the barrier.
    yes. It depends on that, and not on any particular mutation of the virus. there's no genetic change that lets you walk through walls.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Breach of protocol led to Ebola outbreak

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Maybe we aren't sure about it's contagion possibilities. I've heard there's danger of it mutating. Maybe it can mutate into being airborne. But how on earth would one be more cautious in public? Only thing I can come up with is to stop wishing fellow parishioners peace during service with a handshake. And that's probably a good policy anyhow.
    There's danger of Ebola mutating to become airborne much like there's danger of an asteroid striking your house tomorrow. It can theoretically happen, but we have no evidence suggesting it will and planning your life around that possibility seems foolish.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Breach of protocol led to Ebola outbreak

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Washing hands. I also like to wipe down things like computers, door knobs, phones, keys, etc. That will cut down on many viruses.
    Why does everyone discussing this subject make the idea of travel restrictions into 100% block or nothing?

    It was NEVER the "Plan", before Obama, to block ALL travel to Hot Zones.

    It was the plan to stop travel for Tourism, Non-Essential Business, and non-disease related research.

    It was the plan to require those returning from Hot Zones to go through thorough monitoring, including a period of remote location isolation.

    That is not at all the same thing as blocking all travel to and from a Hot Zone!

    Why limit the options, in the discussion, to the two extremes, rather than include what was the decades long held "Plan" before President Obama.

    If we had held to the "Plan" then the guy from Dallas, Thomas Duncan, would have had the option to travel to Liberia, and back again, for essential familial reasons, but on his return, for the protection of his family, and many others, he would need to spend several weeks in government provided, free of charge, Isolation.

    Given that option, any loving and responsible family member, would have opted to go the official route, to protect their family.

    Anyone deliberately evading the requirement is a Terrorist!

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    Re: Breach of protocol led to Ebola outbreak

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    yes. It depends on that, and not on any particular mutation of the virus. there's no genetic change that lets you walk through walls.
    That you know of.

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    Re: Breach of protocol led to Ebola outbreak

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurmugeon View Post
    Why does everyone discussing this subject make the idea of travel restrictions into 100% block or nothing?

    It was NEVER the "Plan", before Obama, to block ALL travel to Hot Zones.

    It was the plan to stop travel for Tourism, Non-Essential Business, and non-disease related research.

    It was the plan to require those returning from Hot Zones to go through thorough monitoring, including a period of remote location isolation.

    That is not at all the same thing as blocking all travel to and from a Hot Zone!

    Why limit the options, in the discussion, to the two extremes, rather than include what was the decades long held "Plan" before President Obama.

    If we had held to the "Plan" then the guy from Dallas, Thomas Duncan, would have had the option to travel to Liberia, and back again, for essential familial reasons, but on his return, for the protection of his family, and many others, he would need to spend several weeks in government provided, free of charge, Isolation.

    Given that option, any loving and responsible family member, would have opted to go the official route, to protect their family.

    Anyone deliberately evading the requirement is a Terrorist!

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    Heres my view-Closing entry from a country currently experiencing the greatest health threat since HIV is warranted. Im not saying people can't go there, Im saying they should not be able to come here. Just until the pandemic with a 50-90% mortality rate dies down.

    Beyond that, the current plan has demonstrably failed-that says enough for me.

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    Re: Breach of protocol led to Ebola outbreak

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    That you know of.
    We also don't know of a genetic mutation that would turn every ebola virus cell into a nuclear warhead, thereby instantly destroying the entire planet. I'm going to go ahead and plan on that not happening.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Breach of protocol led to Ebola outbreak

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    There's danger of Ebola mutating to become airborne much like there's danger of an asteroid striking your house tomorrow. It can theoretically happen, but we have no evidence suggesting it will and planning your life around that possibility seems foolish.
    There is an adequate viral load in one drop of saliva for the right cough, sneeze, or splatter of body fluid to transmit the disease-and that effect would be magnified in confined quarters. It seems to me that being cautious is appropriate.

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    Re: Breach of protocol led to Ebola outbreak

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Heres my view-Closing entry from a country currently experiencing the greatest health threat since HIV is warranted. Im not saying people can't go there, Im saying they should not be able to come here. Just until the pandemic with a 50-90% mortality rate dies down.

    Beyond that, the current plan has demonstrably failed-that says enough for me.
    What if I told you there was another virus that kills more people every year than ebola kills in a decade, and that it transmits easier, and that we aren't using any quarantine protocols?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Breach of protocol led to Ebola outbreak

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    There is an adequate viral load in one drop of saliva for the right cough, sneeze, or splatter of body fluid to transmit the disease-and that effect would be magnified in confined quarters. It seems to me that being cautious is appropriate.
    Yes, but this conversation is about ebola developing magical powers to pass through solid objects. So don't talk to me about caution.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Breach of protocol led to Ebola outbreak

    Anyway, I'm musing -

    It probably wouldn't matter anyway especially in industrialized countries such as ours. Unless ebola really starts wildly sweeping across the country - can we actually afford the drastic measures it takes to prevent it from spreading?

    It seems like being caught between a hard place and a rock.

    Think of children for example. We know how easily flu or colds is passed on by children.

    Can we afford to close down daycares, and tell parents to keep their children at home?
    What's the repercussion to our economy?
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