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Russia says it's pulling 17,000 troops from near Ukrainian border

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Yes you read it right, the right wings nightmare is happening in the Ukraine. Obama's sanctions are working and Russia is backing down. The sanctions along with the rapidly falling price of oil are threatening financial collapse in Russia.

Moscow (CNN) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered 17,600 troops near the Ukrainian border to return to their bases, state-run media reported.
The reason? The Russian troops' training exercises in the southern Rostov region have ended, according to the RIA Novosti news agency.
But many did not believe such exercises were taking place. The troop buildup near the Ukrainian border has been widely interpreted as a threat to invade eastern Ukraine.
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Russia: 17,000 troops to leave from near Ukraine - CNN.com
 
So much for the Putinator's show of strength.

Saw this coming, but I can't lie, Putin proved himself decently clever and made Obama look weak.
 
I always knew Russia had met its match with Ukraine. Was saying they should stay the f out of it all the time.

Now, to regain back Crimea!
 
iguanaman said:
Yes you read it right, the right wings nightmare is happening in the Ukraine. Obama's sanctions are working and Russia is backing down. The sanctions along with the rapidly falling price of oil are threatening financial collapse in Russia.

Russia: 17,000 troops to leave from near Ukraine - CNN.com
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How is this a right wing nightmare? It's good news to me, although I'm not sure I'm a real "right-winger" even though I'm sure I am to you.
 
Van Basten said:
So much for the Putinator's show of strength.

Saw this coming, but I can't lie, Putin proved himself decently clever and made Obama look weak.
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If oil prices had stayed high, then the sanctions would not have had such an impact, and Putin probably wouldn't have blinked. This pull back has more to do with the drop in oil prices and their impact on the Russian economy than any sanction has done minus the drop.
 
Beaudreaux said:
How is this a right wing nightmare? It's good news to me, although I'm not sure I'm a real "right-winger" even though I'm sure I am to you.
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Yeah, Im not sure what that comment was supposed to mean either.
 
I think he's saying that what he mistakenly believes to be some form of success, and one that he amusingly appears to attribute to some skill on Obama's part, would come as an unpleasant surprise to his opponents.
 
Beaudreaux said:
How is this a right wing nightmare? It's good news to me, although I'm not sure I'm a real "right-winger" even though I'm sure I am to you.
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It is bad news for all fans of Putin which seems to be all the rage among the Right. They were gushing when he shot down that airliner and got away with it too.

The Conservatives recent love affair with Russia's Vladimir Putin is a mysterious contagion from a fever swamp; an odd combination of My Funny Valentine and Jungle Fever, rebranded as To Russia, With Love. It's an odd reversal of the McCarthy era, sixty years later.

Sarah Palin seems deeply enamored as she oozed on Fox, "People are looking at Putin as one who wrestles bears and drills for oil. They look at our president as one who wears mom jeans and equivocates and bloviates."

Add Rudy Giuliani to Putin's fan club too: "In contrast to Obama, Putin is what you call a leader."

Franklin Graham, son of respected pastor, Billy Graham, has a declaration of love for him also. He praises Putin and says he wishes our president was more like him.

On and on, Breitbart gushing over Putin's "traditional values". Fox News producer Jack Hanick injected God into the Putin-love also; saying that God called on Russia to stand up for traditional values. Fox News' Ralph Peters gushed with praise for Russia who has a "real leader".

According to the World Congress of Families, Putin doesn't threaten our national security but Obama does.
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Right-Wing Valentine to Vlad | Houston Press
 
Beaudreaux said:
If oil prices had stayed high, then the sanctions would not have had such an impact, and Putin probably wouldn't have blinked. This pull back has more to do with the drop in oil prices and their impact on the Russian economy than any sanction has done minus the drop.
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I expected no better from a bunch of serial sore losers. I could care less as long as you LOSE.
 
iguanaman said:
I expected no better from a bunch of serial sore losers. I could care less as long as you LOSE.
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You may want to do something about that raging hatred you have running through you. It can cause health problems, and wouldn't want anything bad to happen to you.
 
iguanaman said:
Yes you read it right, the right wings nightmare is happening in the Ukraine. Obama's sanctions are working and Russia is backing down. The sanctions along with the rapidly falling price of oil are threatening financial collapse in Russia.

Russia: 17,000 troops to leave from near Ukraine - CNN.com
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Maybe. It's certainly possible that he is indeed backing down. However, it's also possible that he is merely backing down only temporarily. Regrouping, so to speak.

iguanaman said:
I expected no better from a bunch of serial sore losers. I could care less as long as you LOSE.
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Interesting perspective. That comes off as you'd rather see your personal political opponents lose than see the right thing happen.
 
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radcen said:
Maybe. It's certainly possible that he is indeed backing down. However, it's also possible that he is merely backing down only temporarily. Regrouping, so to speak.


Interesting perspective. That comes off as you'd rather see your personal political opponents lose than see the right thing happen.
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I doubt that it is regrouping but you are correct to point out that sanctions are often not as cut and dry as "shock and awe". It is a lot less dangerous and costly though especially when dealing with a nuclear power. Putin is tucking in his tail and running for his life just the same. He was out played by Obama IMO.
 
Beaudreaux said:
How is this a right wing nightmare? It's good news to me, although I'm not sure I'm a real "right-winger" even though I'm sure I am to you.
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I should have said it was bad news to Putin fans which seems to comprise a lot of right wingers. Are you an admirer or not?
 
iguanaman said:
I should have said it was bad news to Putin fans which seems to comprise a lot of right wingers. Are you an admirer or not?
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Putin is a self serving egotistical tyrant that is a danger to the free world - so no - I am not a fan.
 
Putin has ordered withdrawal from the Ukraine border at least twice prior to this. So far, NATO has not confirmed whether the troops have actually began to withdraw.
 
iguanaman said:
Yes you read it right, the right wings nightmare is happening in the Ukraine. Obama's sanctions are working and Russia is backing down. The sanctions along with the rapidly falling price of oil are threatening financial collapse in Russia.

Russia: 17,000 troops to leave from near Ukraine - CNN.com
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but those 17000 have never left Russian territory, never crossed the border, they were just located there. And now they are being withdrawn... from Russian territory to some other part of Russian territory. And everybody thinks it's good for Ukraine and that sanctions worked. Sanctions made Russia to move its troops via its territory.
Cool story, bro.
 
Van Basten said:
So much for the Putinator's show of strength.

Saw this coming, but I can't lie, Putin proved himself decently clever and made Obama look weak.
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Um, no, this made Obama look like a Chess player to Putin's checkers. Putin tried to be the big tough guy and it turned out he couldn't back it up. His country's position was far weaker than he tried to make it look. What would you have wanted Obama to do to "look tough?" Start a war with Russia over some tiny slice of land America doesn't give a **** about?
 
Simon Feltser said:
Dude, what are you arguing? Well, if even the CNN wrote that were troops' training exercises and they have ended and THAT IS THE REASON to return to their bases, then what can we say? It is likely that this is truth
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Right. Putin would never lie. He is a saint.
 
iguanaman said:
Right. Putin would never lie. He is a saint.
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Hah, the case in that we are here, far from Ukraine, and you are claiming that the Russian troops are located on the territory of Ukraine, with no any evidence. Where are they exactly? How much? No evidence and we are not able to claim that Russian troops are located in Ukraine
 
Van Basten said:
So much for the Putinator's show of strength.

Saw this coming, but I can't lie, Putin proved himself decently clever and made Obama look weak.
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Putin invades Ukraine, overextends himself, all the while the West led by the United States applies an ensemble of diplomatic strong arming and economic sanctions that within the year forces Putin to pull back, all without us needing to fire a shot at Russians and enter WWIII. But Putin is decently clever and Obama looks weak.

[shakes head]
 
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Simon Feltser said:
Dude, what are you arguing? Well, if even the CNN wrote that were troops' training exercises and they have ended and THAT IS THE REASON to return to their bases, then what can we say? It is likely that this is truth
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Never use the words truth and Putin in the same sentence.

This is the same Putin who initially claimed the "little green men" in Crimea were not Russian soldiers. That was such an obvious lie that he had to change his tune. The last round of US/EU sanctions were levied because Russian troops had not departed Ukraine and the border areas when Putin claimed they had.

And I quote from CNN:
12 October 2014

So far, NATO has not confirmed whether the troops have actually began to withdraw.
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PEACE IN OUR TIME!

Where have I heard that before?

Sorry, but when you have a duplicitous liar like Putin, only time will tell.
 
For those who continue to believe that the sanctions had no bearing on Russia's recent decision to pull troop from Ukraine...

Russia's Lavrov says ties with Washington need 'reset 2.0' | Reuters

From the article:

(Reuters) - Moscow called on Sunday (9/28/2014) for a new "reset 2.0" in relations with Washington, saying the situation in Ukraine that had led to Western sanctions against Russia was improving thanks to Kremlin peace initiatives.

Washington and Brussels accuse Moscow of supporting a pro-Russian rebellion in east Ukraine and have imposed sanctions, which they have repeatedly tightened since Russia annexed Ukraine's Crimea peninsula in March.

The conflict has brought relations between Moscow and the West to their lowest level since the end of the Cold War. U.S. President Barack Obama said last week that the sanctions could be lifted if Russia takes the path of peace and diplomacy. In television interviews, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said it was time to repeat the "reset", a word Washington used to describe an attempt to mend ties early in Obama's presidency.

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"The ceasefire is taking shape, though of course not without problems. Monitoring mechanisms have been introduced, talks between Russia, the European Union and Ukraine have started, gas talks have restarted," Lavrov said.
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So, if you think the sanctions didn't have a drastic affect, think again!
 
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