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    Re: Russia says it's pulling 17,000 troops from near Ukrainian border

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Right. Putin would never lie. He is a saint.
    Hah, the case in that we are here, far from Ukraine, and you are claiming that the Russian troops are located on the territory of Ukraine, with no any evidence. Where are they exactly? How much? No evidence and we are not able to claim that Russian troops are located in Ukraine

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    Re: Russia says it's pulling 17,000 troops from near Ukrainian border

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    So much for the Putinator's show of strength.

    Saw this coming, but I can't lie, Putin proved himself decently clever and made Obama look weak.
    Putin invades Ukraine, overextends himself, all the while the West led by the United States applies an ensemble of diplomatic strong arming and economic sanctions that within the year forces Putin to pull back, all without us needing to fire a shot at Russians and enter WWIII. But Putin is decently clever and Obama looks weak.

    [shakes head]
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    Re: Russia says it's pulling 17,000 troops from near Ukrainian border

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Feltser View Post
    Dude, what are you arguing? Well, if even the CNN wrote that were troops' training exercises and they have ended and THAT IS THE REASON to return to their bases, then what can we say? It is likely that this is truth
    Never use the words truth and Putin in the same sentence.

    This is the same Putin who initially claimed the "little green men" in Crimea were not Russian soldiers. That was such an obvious lie that he had to change his tune. The last round of US/EU sanctions were levied because Russian troops had not departed Ukraine and the border areas when Putin claimed they had.

    And I quote from CNN:
    12 October 2014

    So far, NATO has not confirmed whether the troops have actually began to withdraw.


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    Re: Russia says it's pulling 17,000 troops from near Ukrainian border

    PEACE IN OUR TIME!

    Where have I heard that before?

    Sorry, but when you have a duplicitous liar like Putin, only time will tell.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Russia says it's pulling 17,000 troops from near Ukrainian border

    For those who continue to believe that the sanctions had no bearing on Russia's recent decision to pull troop from Ukraine...

    Russia's Lavrov says ties with Washington need 'reset 2.0' | Reuters

    From the article:

    (Reuters) - Moscow called on Sunday (9/28/2014) for a new "reset 2.0" in relations with Washington, saying the situation in Ukraine that had led to Western sanctions against Russia was improving thanks to Kremlin peace initiatives.

    Washington and Brussels accuse Moscow of supporting a pro-Russian rebellion in east Ukraine and have imposed sanctions, which they have repeatedly tightened since Russia annexed Ukraine's Crimea peninsula in March.

    The conflict has brought relations between Moscow and the West to their lowest level since the end of the Cold War. U.S. President Barack Obama said last week that the sanctions could be lifted if Russia takes the path of peace and diplomacy. In television interviews, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said it was time to repeat the "reset", a word Washington used to describe an attempt to mend ties early in Obama's presidency.

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    "The ceasefire is taking shape, though of course not without problems. Monitoring mechanisms have been introduced, talks between Russia, the European Union and Ukraine have started, gas talks have restarted," Lavrov said.
    So, if you think the sanctions didn't have a drastic affect, think again!
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    Re: Russia says it's pulling 17,000 troops from near Ukrainian border

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    I always knew Russia had met its match with Ukraine. Was saying they should stay the f out of it all the time.

    Now, to regain back Crimea!
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    Re: Russia says it's pulling 17,000 troops from near Ukrainian border

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    For those who continue to believe that the sanctions had no bearing on Russia's recent decision to pull troop from Ukraine...

    So, if you think the sanctions didn't have a drastic affect, think again!
    That wouldn't be me, as I believe the sanctions are the only thing that has held him back, but I'm not convinced that this is over, either. I believe that if he comes up with an idea that he thinks might work better, he'll probably try it.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Russia says it's pulling 17,000 troops from near Ukrainian border

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Putin invades Ukraine, overextends himself, all the while the West led by the United States applies an ensemble of diplomatic strong arming and economic sanctions that within the year forces Putin to pull back, all without us needing to fire a shot at Russians and enter WWIII. But Putin is decently clever and Obama looks weak.

    [shakes head]
    This is an interesting view. The US and EU back a coup in the Ukraine, undermining democracy and all that is "holy" because they didn't like the results, call the usurpers the real government and then get indignant when Russia backs the rightful government. Not allowing this slight to go completely unchecked but knowing all the while it can cut the oil off at the spigot and create a financial catastrophe of global proportions -- opting instead to use a little strong arming so as to not lose face (or as much face) and making Obama look ridiculous by laughing in the face of sanctions and commanding a strategic location as consolation, I don't really see where you get off?

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    Re: Russia says it's pulling 17,000 troops from near Ukrainian border

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Crimea is Mother Russia's now... She will never abandon her children...
    ... at will.
    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Stats come out and always show life getting better. News makes money in making you think its not.
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    Re: Russia says it's pulling 17,000 troops from near Ukrainian border

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Um, no, this made Obama look like a Chess player to Putin's checkers. Putin tried to be the big tough guy and it turned out he couldn't back it up. His country's position was far weaker than he tried to make it look. What would you have wanted Obama to do to "look tough?" Start a war with Russia over some tiny slice of land America doesn't give a **** about?
    Do yourself a favor and don't go assuming things not even insinuated in people's posts.

    That aside, you're mostly correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Putin invades Ukraine, overextends himself, all the while the West led by the United States applies an ensemble of diplomatic strong arming and economic sanctions that within the year forces Putin to pull back, all without us needing to fire a shot at Russians and enter WWIII. But Putin is decently clever and Obama looks weak.

    [shakes head]
    I'm on your side here lol.

    Anyway, the steps over the line Putin took made Obama look weak at the time the same way Syria's use of chemical weapons did despite Obama's claim that he would not tolerate it in the slightest.
    Last edited by Van Basten; 10-14-14 at 03:39 PM.
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