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Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

Re: What is The One's strategy for defeating Ebola? Crickets...

webrockk said:
On gun control ~ 'If we can save just one child'
On Ebola ~ 'virtually non-existent threat, no need for panic or rash decisions'

Big Gulps, cigarettes, transfats ~ OMG!

Ebola ~ meh
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You make a point that liberalism is very much like other mental disorders. I wonder if it covered under Obamacare?
 
Re: What is The One's strategy for defeating Ebola? Crickets...

Kurmugeon said:
Think about the bright side. Even in the worst African Ebola stats, 30% or so survive. (Though Often with huge lifetime disabilities)

So, one of the three people around you may be alive in a year.

We currently have 316 Million Americans, so in a year, we'll still have about 100 Million.

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The authoritarian tyrants do frequently describe people, and Americans especially, as a pox upon the Earth. According to them we should be whittled down to a few tens of millions.

Maybe this is part of their plan.
 
Re: What is The One's strategy for defeating Ebola? Crickets...

Misterveritis said:
"Why didn't you select a more reasonable alternative and prevent anyone who had been to ebola country from entering the US? It has the same effect of protecting American citizens without placing our volunteer military at risk for no good reason."

Stopping people who may have been exposed to ebola is a great idea. All we have to do is say then cannot come. We can continue to screen all international passengers. We need to add an ebola tax to each ticket to pay for the additional manpower needed to do the screenings.

No one has argued for unconstrained ebola. The ones who are affected should be solving their problem.
What is naive is treating ebola as a politically correct race issue. What is naive is Der Fuhrer's unwillingness to do the simplest, most effective thing and stop allowing potentially infected people into the nation

Why would you believe that? The time from infection to symptoms is 21 days. Anyone who wants to come can voluntarily go into a quarantine village for three weeks prior to coming here. I am sure someone will figure out how to make money selling the time in the facility.
There is nothing difficult about it.
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and NOT one person has been able to respond to my posts on this subject in several strings because they are DISINGENUOS PCers.

Everyone agrees to a full-court-Press in Africa.
Just these PC CLOWNS can't honestly answer why they don't want to stop it from leaving Africa. They Dishonestly or Stupidly infer that won't help.

Instead, they want it to not only land in the EU/USA, and cost the country and World untold problems.. what happens when it lands in Bombay, Sri Lanka, Phuket, Mexico, or Honduras?
Will that Stop the spread or make it worse?

What IDIOTS these PCers are.

All Flights/passengers with the 3 countries involved need to be Grounded.
There is absolutely NO Significant reason Not to except IDIOTIC PC.
There is NO Pressing business that must be carried on in person by Liberian or Sierra Leonese in London, NY, etc.
None of these DISHONEST PCers can address this point.

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mbig #106 said:
We should bar All flights and passengers originating in the Ebola countries.

What's the downside?
There is virtually ZERO significant loss of Tourism or other Economic/Business interest.

The need for the nationals of those tiny/crap-hole countries (Liberia, Sierra Leone, Guinea) to get here is ZERO compared to the risk.

Only Aid workers (I support) should be able to transit on chartered flights with Special precautions.

It's going to cost the West BILLION$, TEN'S of Billions MORE, for airport screening/Hospital-procedure/etc instead barring flights/passengers originating in those countries.

Untold Angst and perhaps cut the whole World airline Industry's traffic, so a FEW passengers from the Crap-hole Infected countries can visit their relatives in Newark, NJ.
WTF!
(how did you LIARS vote in the PC Poll?)

Flu season is starting and it's going to be Madness with Airport Screeners and Hospital staff's worried/HAVING to worry that every fever might about Ebola too.
Hazmat suit Halloween.
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PS: There is Now a suspected case on Boston. Thankfully that's a great Med town.
What happens if/when it lands in Bombay? Karachi? Libya? Indonesia?
 
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Re: What is The One's strategy for defeating Ebola? Crickets...

mbig said:
and NOT one person has been able to respond to my posts on this subject in several strings because they are DISINGENUOS PCers.

Everyone agrees to a full-court-Press in Africa.
Just these PC CLOWNS can't honestly answer why they don't want to stop it from leaving Africa. They Dishonestly or Stupidly infer that won't help.

Instead, they want it to not only land in the EU/USA, and cost the country and World untold problems.. what happens when it lands in Bombay, Sri Lanka, Phuket, Mexico, or Honduras?
Will that Stop the spread?

What IDIOTS these PCers are.

All Flights/passengers with the 3 countries involved need to be Grounded.
There is absolutely NO Significant reason Not to except IDIOTIC PC.
There is NO Pressing business that must be carried on in person by Liberian or Sierra Leonese in London, NY, etc.
None of these DISHONEST PCers can address this point.

My last again:
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We have authority to act in our national interests. Other nations will have to decide for themselves what is appropriate for them.
 
Lutherf said:
But they might so wouldn't the prudent thing be to put them and everyone they've come in contact with in isolation for a few weeks?

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A hospital doesn't have the power to do that. We can isolate a patient that is admitted for care, but we can't isolate families, friends, or other people that the person has come into contact with. Besides that, and as I said earlier, the guy reportedly lied on the paperwork that he filled out prior to coming here. There is no reason to think that ebola was here, if the travel was legal. Just because he was from Liberia, there was no reason to think he had ebola, assuming that his travel was legitimate.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Does that apply to non ER visits? I recall in my state of Indiana when I called in once to make an appointment to make a visit I was told the doctor was not in but I could see the nurse practioner. I think you know my answer.
+Would you assume their was no risk if one of your friends from Liberia just came back from a visit to Liberia and had a temp of 103 + and were throwing up and in severe pain?
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If I knew ANYONE with a temp of 103+ and in severe pain, I'd use contact precautions in dealing with them. I wouldn't assume he had ebola. If the guy's temp was 103 degrees in the ER, I am a bit surprised that they sent him home, but I wouldn't assume it was deadly. That is an extremely high temp, especially for an adult.
 
lizzie said:
A hospital doesn't have the power to do that. We can isolate a patient that is admitted for care, but we can't isolate families, friends, or other people that the person has come into contact with. Besides that, and as I said earlier, the guy reportedly lied on the paperwork that he filled out prior to coming here. There is no reason to think that ebola was here, if the travel was legal. Just because he was from Liberia, there was no reason to think he had ebola, assuming that his travel was legitimate.
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Yeah. I seem to have mangled together your post with a sarcastic response to the person you were replying to. Making a huge deal out of this is just going to scare sick people away from the medical help they might need.
 
Lutherf said:
Yeah. I seem to have mangled together your post with a sarcastic response to the person you were replying to. Making a huge deal out of this is just going to scare sick people away from the medical help they might need.
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I don't think it will. The human fear of death will override almost any other impulse.
 
Misterveritis said:
Can you explain how preventing a disease from being introduced in America will make the disease worse in America?
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Not my words... And yes, it's completely contrary to common sense.
 
Re: What is The One's strategy for defeating Ebola? Crickets...

mbig said:
and NOT one person has been able to respond to my posts on this subject in several strings because they are DISINGENUOS PCers.

Everyone agrees to a full-court-Press in Africa.
Just these PC CLOWNS can't honestly answer why they don't want to stop it from leaving Africa. They Dishonestly or Stupidly infer that won't help.

Instead, they want it to not only land in the EU/USA, and cost the country and World untold problems.. what happens when it lands in Bombay, Sri Lanka, Phuket, Mexico, or Honduras?
Will that Stop the spread or make it worse?

What IDIOTS these PCers are.

All Flights/passengers with the 3 countries involved need to be Grounded.
There is absolutely NO Significant reason Not to except IDIOTIC PC.
There is NO Pressing business that must be carried on in person by Liberian or Sierra Leonese in London, NY, etc.
None of these DISHONEST PCers can address this point.

My last again:

PS: There is Now a suspected case on Boston. Thankfully that's a great Med town.
What happens if/when it lands in Bombay? Karachi? Libya? Indonesia?
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If idiot isolationists were willing to look at the problem rationally, they might not be calling others idiots who recognize isolating that region from the rest of world isn't feasible. How does aid get there without flights or people to bring in the supplies? If a plane lands there with supplies, does it have to stay there till the crisis is over? So all trips are one way? If not, then how do you isolate the plane carrying supplies from everyone? Drop the supplies with parachutes - an air lift?

And you've mentioned a few countries. Those folks can't get in a car and drive to another country? Should the U.S. ground ALL all flights/trains/roads/boats in and out? If you want them isolated by force, who will do that? Not the countries themselves - they don't have the manpower.

Etc. It's not anything close to an easy decision to make, and once you make it carrying through will take massive amounts of manpower to enforce.
 
sawdust said:
Do I have a link to my belief, well, no that is a foolish question. Thomas Duncan infected a healthcare worker knowing that he had ebola. He's gone but knowing that how can you possibly justify his actions? Is it ok for someone who knows they have a deadly disease to put others at risk? It's already a crime in some places. Criminal transmission of HIV - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Where is your evidence he knew he had Ebola? All I'm seeing is he helped a pregnant woman who collapsed not knowing she was infected, that died after he left for the U.S.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Where is your evidence he knew he had Ebola? All I'm seeing is he helped a pregnant woman who collapsed not knowing she was infected, that died after he left for the U.S.
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Well, with the 3 week incubation period, he may or may not have known.

Really, either he knew he was exposed and he was escaping to America for healthcare, or he was trying to escape a nation collapsing under this outbreak.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Where is your evidence he knew he had Ebola? All I'm seeing is he helped a pregnant woman who collapsed not knowing she was infected, that died after he left for the U.S.
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He carried a pregnant ebola victim into her house in Nigeria and then lied on travel documents when leaving the country. If he had survived the government of Nigeria was prepared to prosecute him for lying.

Fond Memories Of Ebola Victim Eric Duncan, Anger Over His Death : Goats and Soda : NPR
 
Simpleχity;1063857223 said:
Yesterdays fear has become today's reality. The Ebola virus has now been transmitted within the United States.
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Well I am feeling safe up north with my fish chips and cheese shaped headdress. As of now, I am more concerned about how bad this winter will be than an epic ebola outbreak.
 
Misterveritis said:
The One will commit troops where we have no national interest but will not commit troops when it is in our national interest.

Think of it. The troops are coming from all over the US. When they return they will return to all over the US.
Those poor guys. I would not serve under Eboma.
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I can't think of anything more disrespectful than calling the president of the United States, "the one." What is wrong with you?
 
lizzie said:
Ummmm, the vast vast majority of people who come to the hospital with flu symptoms, don't have ebola. :lol:
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But if they were recently in Africa that should have been a red flag.
 
Ontologuy said:
It's not just that he left virus on objects, as two things must then happen: 1) someone else must pick sufficient quantity of the virus up on their hand and clothing, and then 2) they must touch that part of the thing that picked up the virus to their face where it can get into their eyes, nose, and mouth.

My "guess", as you call it, lacks any hyperbole and is quite educated.

Also, did you not read where they're saying another person is in isolation right now under observation, not just that one nurse?!

When they indicate whether or not that person has Ebola, then I believe you'll see the coincidence about the nurse is quite likely, much more likely than that she treated her own life carelessly and didn't follow protocols for removing her protective gear as the CDC "don't panic" line guesses.

Of course, there is a third possibility to consider: that the nurse followed the CDC protocols for removing her protective gear .. and those protocols are inadequate! :shock:
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You keep ignoring the fact that Ebola is not contagious when the carrier is not showing symptoms.
 
Jetboogieman said:
This is absolutely in the national interest, for all of us, not just the US.

If you're too blind to see that, don't play the game.
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He's blinded by being a partisan hack. He can't help it.
 
I am sure they didn't examine his entrance paperwork before giving him medical care. Their failure to screen him for ebola right away is inexcusable. The ER were my works had an severely ill patient from Africa and they quarantined him, notified the CDC, and tested him for ebola right away. He was negative.

That happened before this case in Texas happened. So for whatever reason, that hospital didn't take the necessary precautions.

lizzie said:
That still doesn't mean that you assume they have ebola. From what I understand, he lied on the forms that were required, in order to fly here. If someone has flown here, and lied on the paperwork in order to do so, why would a doctor (or nurse) assume that he was here under false pretenses?
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KevinKohler said:
Eh. There is something called mission creep, and it happens to ALL of us. From the security guard at the bank, to the marines at whatever FOB, to politicians, to medical workers, etc. When you do the same thing, day in and day out, it becomes routine. You go on auto pilot. Even the dude who operates on aids patients will EVENTUALLY become lulled into a sense of complacency, if he does the same thing often enough. As for a fix to that, the only thing I have ever found that works is to constantly change up the duties and details that I have people working on. Keep them doing new things. This, obviously, won't work in many fields. I would wager, medical is included.
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Pretty sure a guy working with his first Ebola patient was following protocol.
 
Misterveritis said:
I believe it is Obama's October Surprise. If we have an epidemic we will spend billions of dollars thus spurring economic growth. I am sure it will have an impact on the elections in Reid's favor.
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Hey whatever that little partisan hack conspiracy mind of yours dreams up. Did you blame Obama for that stinky fart you ripped today too?
 
lizzie said:
Well, frankly, I'd be okay with stopping all immigration, but that isn't gonna happen.
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No that would be dumb. People like my fiancé have been living in the US but are not naturalized yet. He is legal resident and going through the immigration process. Stopping all immigration wouldn't serve any reason purpose, nor does it make sense. Even if people are not immigrating to the US, people still get travel visas to America. So if you think ending immigration will prevent ebola, you are being shortsighted.

It would make more sense enact a travel ban, or at least setup medical testing and screening before (re)entry to the US.
 
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