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Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

EnigmaO01 said:
Why does it always take an incident or death for alledged professionals to get their **** together?
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Ask that question of ANYONE. People become complacent. It happens.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
So either the virus is more contagious than we are told or the worker was sloppy or his gear was defective.
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Bingo.



I'm going with more contagious.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
So either the virus is more contagious than we are told or the worker was sloppy or his gear was defective.
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Mr. Duncan carried a neighbor suffering from Ebola to the hospital while she was exhibiting symptoms.

He was exhibiting symptoms, had been to Liberia and sought professional care, initially they simply gave him anti-biotics and painkillers and sent him on his way, in that process if they didnt think he had Ebola during the initial assessment it's very likely they would have been careless.

It is very infectious in the sense that if you come into direct contact with someones symptoms you can get it if you're careless, like touching your face after dealing with someone.

It's most likely someone from the initial time he sought help.
 
nota bene said:
I hope others posting on this thread won't make it political. Disease doesn't recognize political lean.
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It does in the Great Lakes states at least according to APHIS. There is a virus that has to be tested for if a live fish sale crosses state lines. Intrasate no testing is required. Not the CDC or humans but it is the ruling by a federal agency.
 
Need to figure out if the nurse was exposed on Duncan's initial visit or during the treatment. If its the latter, the current consensus on the manner in which this disease can spread may be incorrect.
 
Texas health care worker with Ebola wore protective gear, followed CDC guidelines: officials
12 October 2014

DALLAS (PIX11/AP) — Health officials say a health care worker at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital who provided care for the Ebola patient hospitalized there has tested positive for Ebola in a preliminary test. The patient, who has not been publicly identified, was wearing protective gear and following Centers for Disease Control protective measures, Dr. Daniel Varga said at a Sunday morning press conference. The health care worker has been self-monitoring at home for two days and has not returned to work. Thomas Eric Duncan, the first person diagnosed with Ebola in the U.S., died Wednesday in Dallas. Varga confirmed that the health care worker helped treat Duncan during his second trip to the hospital.

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KevinKohler said:
Bingo.



I'm going with more contagious.
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Wonder what that portends for the troops we are sending to Africa. Wonder why the government is so willing to use our kids in this way.
 
SMTA said:
Hospital failures are quite common, and well documented - you might try reading Consumer Reports.

A medical degree is not required to recognize incompetence, even for the ignorant or uneducated.
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There are also bad players in the field that are not reported by their peers. Some really awful doctors out there that literally get away with murder. I almost lost and niece AND a nephew to an idiot doctor.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
It does in the Great Lakes states at least according to APHIS. There is a virus that has to be tested for if a live fish sale crosses state lines. Intrasate no testing is required. Not the CDC or humans but it is the ruling by a federal agency.
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Non sequitur. I said that disease doesn't recognize political lean. I said nothing about state testing or federal law, and my point was to suggest that crap such as the post about Perry above are counterproductive.
 
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Simpleχity;1063857478 said:
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If that report is accurate, we might have a serious problem here. I would assume that the guidelines were followed to the "T". This type of response couldn't be plagued by complacency at this point, in fact, would be the opposite.
 
washunut said:
Wonder what that portends for the troops we are sending to Africa. Wonder why the government is so willing to use our kids in this way.
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Because we need to nip this thing in the bud at it's source and these troops are not involved with treatment but are building infrastructure.
 
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Fishstyx said:
If that report is accurate, we might have a serious problem here. I would assume that the guidelines were followed to the "T". This type of response couldn't be plagued by complacency at this point, in fact, would be the opposite.
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Not necessarily. This is new. Training may have been lacking or there was a mistake. It happens.

It's also possible there was an equipment failure or a glove may have been defective.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
But it shouldn't be acceptable with professionals. There should be a higher standard.
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Eh. There is something called mission creep, and it happens to ALL of us. From the security guard at the bank, to the marines at whatever FOB, to politicians, to medical workers, etc. When you do the same thing, day in and day out, it becomes routine. You go on auto pilot. Even the dude who operates on aids patients will EVENTUALLY become lulled into a sense of complacency, if he does the same thing often enough. As for a fix to that, the only thing I have ever found that works is to constantly change up the duties and details that I have people working on. Keep them doing new things. This, obviously, won't work in many fields. I would wager, medical is included.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
But it shouldn't be acceptable with professionals. There should be a higher standard.
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You can say that across the board. NASCAR and other pro sports respond to tragedies. The military adjusts policies in response to tragedies. The med profession, law enforcement...everyone does.

Hell...we have a problem right now in our child care services in the military because people got complacent at one Post (I believe it was Fort Gordon) and now every worker has to be vetted with 8 different types of background checks including psych screenings. Hell...its harder today to be a childcare worker in the Army civil service than it is to get a TS clearance.

People make mistakes. They miss things. Even professionals.

And as an edit...if it the infection occurred during his actual visit...it wasnt even about a lack of professionalism or complacency.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Not necessarily. This is new. Training may have been lacking or there was a mistake. It happens.

It's also possible there was an equipment failure or a glove may have been defective.
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Certainly possible, but its not new. Protocols/procedures for this type of disease have been in place for a while now. I'd wager there was a representative from the CDC with experience in this type of work to monitor and advise.

But, could be that the CDC created new protocols for American hospitals they're not up to snuff. A lot of variables here but all possibilities should be on the table with the response created and implemented to deal with the worst possible scenario.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
But it shouldn't be acceptable with professionals. There should be a higher standard.
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There is a "higher standard," and indicting the whole of healthcare professionals is unfair. In the case of this second patient, my bet is that the most stringent of protocols was followed and that there wasn't a screw-up.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
But it shouldn't be acceptable with professionals. There should be a higher standard.
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I'm sure we've all observed this from Day One. First, misdiagnosis in the ER, and since he was temp 103+ and just in from Liberia, that seems negligient. Second, photos of Texas/Dallas health employees leaving the Apartment Duncan stayed in are not in protective clothing, wowser, negligience big time. Third, a deputy on the watch list of Duncan contacts was thought to have Ebola and first taken to a hospital other tha Texas Presbytarian, and that's a screw up big time. Why chance spreading to another facility, especially considering he is on the watch list and should have been warned previously that if any symptoms developed to go to TexasPres. Fortunately, the deputy did not test positive for Ebola. I would guess that there have not been formal policies developed to enforce these common sense responses, or else the Three Stooges are in charge.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Because we need to nip this thing in the bud at it's source and these troops are not involved with treatment but are building infrastructure.
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If we are there to just build infrastructure, then can't the UN do it.
 
Fishstyx said:
If that report is accurate, we might have a serious problem here. I would assume that the guidelines were followed to the "T". This type of response couldn't be plagued by complacency at this point, in fact, would be the opposite.
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Well it's difficult to say until we get to the heart of what she may have done to contract the virus, with the Spanish nurse she touched her face with gloves.

I agree it is worrying but there are other factors to consider.

Many Journalists have been covering the Ebola crisis for some time and have been wearing protective gear, they have gone into Liberian hospitals and treatment centers and as far as I know, none of them have come down with the virus.

The incubation period is long enough that it'll be some time before we know if the infectiousness of the disease has increased, but the fact of the matter is, is that Monrovia for example has just over 400, 000 people, if this disease has become more infectious, it's gonna light up like the 4th of July within that city.
 
I believe that Thomas Duncan knew that ebola was in his future when he came to the US because he had contacted carriers in Africa. He believed that American doctors had success with other cases and his only chance for survival was here. In the process he is guilty of attempted murder if the health care worker recovers and murder if she doesn't, even though it's a moot point because he's dead. Jesse Jackson can stuff it.
 
SMTA said:
Sounds like karma for the hospital, as they screwed up the initial diagnosis for Duncan due to their incompetence.
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Nice, so you are saying the nurse deserves to get ebola? You should jump off a bridge
 
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