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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

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    So it truly makes sense at this point to shut this Dallas hospital down, to quarantine it and its workers, immediately.

    Better safe than epidemic sorry.
    Greetings, Ontologuy.

    I hope your post was tongue-in-cheek because shutting hospitals down is unthinkable. We can't just let people die! The health care experts are doing their best with a disease that currently has no cure, and some victims are surviving - I just wish it was better than 50%! The fatality rate in Africa is 70% or higher, with entire villages succumbing to the disease, so there is hope that we might yet find a cure. The health care experts we recently sent to Africa are setting up labs, etc - any news on how they're doing?

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    So it truly makes sense at this point to shut this Dallas hospital down, to quarantine it and its workers, immediately.

    Better safe than epidemic sorry.
    Heya OG. CDC is now saying there was a protocol breach. From 42 mins ago.


    CDC: Protocol breach in treating Ebola patient.....

    Top federal health officials said Sunday that the Ebola diagnosis in a health care worker who treated Thomas Eric Duncan at a Texas hospital clearly indicates a breach in safety protocol. But the unidentified worker has been unable to pinpoint where that breach might have occurred, according to Dr. Tom Frieden, head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    He said the CDC has recommended that the hospital where the worker is being treated — and where Duncan died Wednesday — should keep "to an absolute minimum" those who care for Ebola patients and should perform only those procedures that are essential to a patient's treatment. He cautioned that additional health care workers could develop Ebola even as he expressed confidence that the "chain of Ebola" could be broken. He said that the CDC, as part of its investigation on how the worker became infected, would look at dialysis and intubation, procedures with the potential for spreading infectious material, as well as the removal of protective gear. Removing it incorrectly can lead to a contamination, he said. Earlier, on CBS' "Face the Nation," Frieden said the worker was doing self-monitoring. "Immediately when they developed symptoms, they isolated themselves, they were promptly isolated at the hospital so that any further spread from that individual was stopped," he said.....snip~

    CDC: Protocol breach in treating Ebola patient




    How many believe this guy from the CDC?

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

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    I don't believe that either has died.
    Greetings, SMTA.

    The Media itself reported that one had died, and the other is in poor condition, but slowly recovering so far. They apparently got the news from the CDC. Why would they lie?

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

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    Heya OG. CDC is now saying there was a protocol breach. From 42 mins ago.


    CDC: Protocol breach in treating Ebola patient.....

    Top federal health officials said Sunday that the Ebola diagnosis in a health care worker who treated Thomas Eric Duncan at a Texas hospital clearly indicates a breach in safety protocol. But the unidentified worker has been unable to pinpoint where that breach might have occurred, according to Dr. Tom Frieden, head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    He said the CDC has recommended that the hospital where the worker is being treated and where Duncan died Wednesday should keep "to an absolute minimum" those who care for Ebola patients and should perform only those procedures that are essential to a patient's treatment. He cautioned that additional health care workers could develop Ebola even as he expressed confidence that the "chain of Ebola" could be broken. He said that the CDC, as part of its investigation on how the worker became infected, would look at dialysis and intubation, procedures with the potential for spreading infectious material, as well as the removal of protective gear. Removing it incorrectly can lead to a contamination, he said. Earlier, on CBS' "Face the Nation," Frieden said the worker was doing self-monitoring. "Immediately when they developed symptoms, they isolated themselves, they were promptly isolated at the hospital so that any further spread from that individual was stopped," he said.....snip~

    CDC: Protocol breach in treating Ebola patient




    How many believe this guy from the CDC?
    Greetings, MMC.

    Why would he lie? It's probably worse than we're being told. I find it difficult to believe that anyone would commit a "protocol breach" at this point! If you were dealing with a deadly disease that has no cure, would you be careless? :

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Or the healthcare worker contracted Ebola from Duncan when he came to the hospital with a 103 degree temperature three days before he returned and was placed in isolation.

    Duncan first came to the hospital on Thursday, September 25th, and, since nobody was thinking Ebola, they didn't institute Ebola safeguards -- today would be the 17th day since initial infection of this hospital on September 25th by Duncan, well within the 2 to 21 days of incubation.

    So Duncan walked around freely on his first visit when he was definitely contagious, touching this and that and leaving the virus on objects he touched, poked, prodded and inspected by healthcare workers not in protective gear, who disposed of his contaminated materials in the standard manner not in the safer Ebola precautions manner ...

    For three days thereafter, everyone walked around and touched doorknobs and restroom facilities and other objects Duncan touched at the hospital during his first visit .. and we know for a fact that the disease can be spread from touching objects contaminated by someone infected with the disease .. and this particular healthcare worker simply coincidentally picked up the disease prior to being assigned to Duncan upon Duncan's return.

    Once Duncan returned to the hospital on Sunday, September 28th, and everyone realized what had walked into their facility on Thursday, September 25th, three days earlier, it was too late, administrators thought, to shut the entire facility down and disinfect it.

    By the way, the article I read this morning indicated that a second person in addition to this healthcare worker is now also "under observation".

    It is important to keep in mind that one is not contagious only from the moment they begin to recognize they're feeling symptoms.

    A person is contagious a few hours to 24 hours or a bit more prior to "feeling" symptoms, as there is sufficient viral community in one's body at that time to leave the virus on towels, lunch tables, pens, computer tablets and keyboards, etc., for other hospital workers to pick up, not to mention via direct contact with other staff members.

    This hospital should be shut down immediately, quarantined, with no one allowed in until more than 21 days pass with no one showing symptoms of Ebola.

    If the right and proper intelligent procedures are not executed immediately, then we as good as already have an epidemic on our hands.

    The CDC should be ashamed of it's "well, the only explanation is that the healthcare worker didn't remove their protective clothing correctly" policy line. Their attempt to fend off "panic" comes at the expense of the obvious truth in this matter which thereby puts more people at oblivious risk and thus increases the chances of an epidemic developing when the CDC will then simply be unable to convince people of their misinformation about how the disease is truly spread .. and then there'll be real panic.

    Better is for the CDC to tell the truth now and institute the proper and intelligent reactive measures, thereby really preventing a panic, or, better yet, and much more importantly, really preventing an epidemic.
    She came in contact with him the second time he came in. News this morning says that she was in full protective gear. The health care workers are the most cautious, so what does this say for the rest of us who don't have suits, masks, and protective gear?

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Ontologuy.

    I hope your post was tongue-in-cheek because shutting hospitals down is unthinkable. We can't just let people die! The health care experts are doing their best with a disease that currently has no cure, and some victims are surviving - I just wish it was better than 50%! The fatality rate in Africa is 70% or higher, with entire villages succumbing to the disease, so there is hope that we might yet find a cure. The health care experts we recently sent to Africa are setting up labs, etc - any news on how they're doing?
    No, it was most assuredly not tongue-in-cheek (which is why I included the word "truly" in my first sentence).

    I presented the reasonable concerns in my first post in this thread: http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063857761

    A proper shut-down and quarantine does not put people at risk of dying because they can't get in -- they're simply directed to other nearby hospitals.

    I know it appears Draconian.

    But it's a far sight better than the likely alternative of an epidemic.

    Hospitals have been permanently shut down for other reasons.

    This would be a temporary shut down until the hospital is truly safe again, a shut down to new patients and people who've never set foot in the hospital, with practitioners remaining in and screened as they continue to help the sick.

    This healthcare worker was spreading the virus around the hospital facility and staff 24 hours before she "felt" symptomatic.

    Knowing that, who would want an ambulance to transport them there or would want to knowingly walk through the front door.

    Better extra-effort safe than epidemic sorry.
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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, SMTA.

    The Media itself reported that one had died, and the other is in poor condition, but slowly recovering so far. They apparently got the news from the CDC. Why would they lie?
    Heya Lady P. I noticed it did say half of the WHO Healthcare people had died while treating those in 3 of the countries. They keep sending medical people and they keep getting infected. They might want to go with NASA Astronauts Uniforms. I would disinfected with a spray powder and soak up any liquids. For removal of the gear.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, MMC.

    Why would he lie? It's probably worse than we're being told. I find it difficult to believe that anyone would commit a "protocol breach" at this point! If you were dealing with a deadly disease that has no cure, would you be careless? :


    He keeps emphasizing on removal of the gear.....so what is he really saying? Who is he not trying to blame?

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya OG. CDC is now saying there was a protocol breach. From 42 mins ago.


    CDC: Protocol breach in treating Ebola patient.....

    Top federal health officials said Sunday that the Ebola diagnosis in a health care worker who treated Thomas Eric Duncan at a Texas hospital clearly indicates a breach in safety protocol. But the unidentified worker has been unable to pinpoint where that breach might have occurred, according to Dr. Tom Frieden, head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    He said the CDC has recommended that the hospital where the worker is being treated and where Duncan died Wednesday should keep "to an absolute minimum" those who care for Ebola patients and should perform only those procedures that are essential to a patient's treatment. He cautioned that additional health care workers could develop Ebola even as he expressed confidence that the "chain of Ebola" could be broken. He said that the CDC, as part of its investigation on how the worker became infected, would look at dialysis and intubation, procedures with the potential for spreading infectious material, as well as the removal of protective gear. Removing it incorrectly can lead to a contamination, he said. Earlier, on CBS' "Face the Nation," Frieden said the worker was doing self-monitoring. "Immediately when they developed symptoms, they isolated themselves, they were promptly isolated at the hospital so that any further spread from that individual was stopped," he said.....snip~

    CDC: Protocol breach in treating Ebola patient




    How many believe this guy from the CDC?
    I addressed the CDC line in my first post in this thread: http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063857761
    Or the healthcare worker contracted Ebola from Duncan when he came to the hospital with a 103 degree temperature three days before he returned and was placed in isolation. ...

    If the right and proper intelligent procedures are not executed immediately, then we as good as already have an epidemic on our hands.

    The CDC should be ashamed of it's "well, the only explanation is that the healthcare worker didn't remove their protective clothing correctly" policy line. Their attempt to fend off "panic" comes at the expense of the obvious truth in this matter which thereby puts more people at oblivious risk and thus increases the chances of an epidemic developing when the CDC will then simply be unable to convince people of their misinformation about how the disease is truly spread .. and then there'll be real panic.

    Better is for the CDC to tell the truth now and institute the proper and intelligent reactive measures, thereby really preventing a panic, or, better yet, and much more importantly, really preventing an epidemic.
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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    No, it was most assuredly not tongue-in-cheek (which is why I included the word "truly" in my first sentence).

    I presented the reasonable concerns in my first post in this thread: http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063857761

    A proper shut-down and quarantine does not put people at risk of dying because they can't get in -- they're simply directed to other nearby hospitals.

    I know it appears Draconian.

    But it's a far sight better than the likely alternative of an epidemic.

    Hospitals have been permanently shut down for other reasons.

    This would be a temporary shut down until the hospital is truly again.

    This healthcare worker was spreading the virus around the hospital facility and staff 24 hours before she "felt" symptomatic.

    Knowing that, who would want an ambulance to transport them there or would want to knowingly walk through the front door.

    Better extra-effort safe than epidemic sorry.
    Sorry, I misunderstood your point. I agree with you! What's going to happen when no hospitals can handle the number of sick because they're overwhelmed, though, and they're turned away? Their odds of survival become practically non-existent.....

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