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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Of course I did, I posted it twice and now you have failed twice to show any reasons why it failed except 'na huh!'

    Again, see my signature below in green.....we all know what 'na huh!' looks like
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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

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    You have failed. You will continue to fail. You may have the final word.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa
    Of course I did, I posted it twice and now you have failed twice four times to show any reasons why it failed except 'na huh!'

    Again, see my signature below in green.....we all know what 'na huh!' looks like.
    Final word? I doubt it but still....no actual ability to prove me wrong is forthcoming. I can live with that
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    So that's how the caregivers contracted the disease?
    From what they are saying in the media, it could be from prolonged contact with an improperly worn suit. But they dont know for sure.
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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    From West Africa, yes. Any reason you feel the need to exaggerate?
    Of course not. I really have to write this out?

    Those people (not just 'black people' either) from West Africa can come from other airports in other countries too. And buy separate tickets that dont show country of origin.
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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Don't play dumb about this, if you've even spent a little time watching the news you'd know the CDC director thought every hospital in the country could handle this sort of thing. He even admits he didn't do enough. He's an idiot who doesn't know what he's doing, just like our President. He totally botched this especially now that a second nurse got infected, AFTER THE CDC HAD STEPPED IN. YOU GOT IT NOW???


    Ebola nurse Am​ber Vinson called CDC several times before flying - CBS News


    Un****ing-believable.
    Well I cant disagree with that....that overall assumptions were not stringent enough.

    But we also dont know that hospitals across the nation had reported their actual readiness or were competent to evaluate that.

    As for the woman infected who got on an airplane? She's an idiot and so is everyone in authority at that hospital, including the CDC personnel there.
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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    So you post an article that shows we do not have total control of the West African population or their travel...but still you say 'just from Africa?"

    Did you read what you posted?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I also pointed out it is a Level 4 hazard. And the buddy is there to make sure that all protocols, including suiting up and taking off, are done step by step and accurately.

    Do you know anything about this?
    Ok, then you know that a "buddy system" is not part of bsl4 protocols.

    It's a sealed SCBA, where you leave, get a decontamination shower, then take off the SCBA suit.

    The greater point was that this virus is far more contagious than is suggested above about requiring intimate contact.

    It's not airborne, but it can be aerosolized, like if the person coughs up blood and a person is exposed to the droplet, the person might just contract the disease.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Ok, then you know that a "buddy system" is not part of bsl4 protocols.

    It's a sealed SCBA, where you leave, get a decontamination shower, then take off the SCBA suit.

    The greater point was that this virus is far more contagious than is suggested above about requiring intimate contact.

    It's not airborne, but it can be aerosolized, like if the person coughs up blood and a person is exposed to the droplet, the person might just contract the disease.
    I dont know that. Are you claiming that in the more controlled facilities, no one is observing the suiting up and decontamination?

    But yes, it is more (not far more IMO) contagious than they initially claimed. I always said it could be aeresolized...just need blood in saliva or a sneeze for that but they still need to land on vulnerable areas (mucus membranes, wounds) to infect.

    I would like something *definitive* on how long the virus can survive on surfaces...to me, that is the area where they have not been definite. I've read a few things but they all differ. To me...that is a real danger....however it could be the same as for AIDS. Which can be transmitted that way, but almost never (ever) is. Because it's not viable for long outside the body and must be transmitted to a mucus membrane/wound. And still be in great enough numbers of active viral particles.
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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Of course not. I really have to write this out?

    Those people (not just 'black people' either) from West Africa can come from other airports in other countries too. And buy separate tickets that dont show country of origin.
    Has the US stopped requiring people to request a visa to come here, other than on the southern border where undocumented democrats flood across (enterovirus for your children anybody?)?

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I dont know that. Are you claiming that in the more controlled facilities, no one is observing the suiting up and decontamination?

    But yes, it is more (not far more IMO) contagious than they initially claimed. I always said it could be aeresolized...just need blood in saliva or a sneeze for that but they still need to land on vulnerable areas (mucus membranes, wounds) to infect.

    I would like something *definitive* on how long the virus can survive on surfaces...to me, that is the area where they have not been definite. I've read a few things but they all differ. To me...that is a real danger....however it could be the same as for AIDS. Which can be transmitted that way, but almost never (ever) is. Because it's not viable for long outside the body and must be transmitted to a mucus membrane/wound. And still be in great enough numbers of active viral particles.
    Well, it seems we are much closer to agreeing than I though.

    And no, a buddy system is not required, though there are supervisors to ensure that the people working in the facility are competent and trained to perform the desired work.

    This is a case of the CDC lying to some degree. BSL protocols are publicly available, and if the picture that was shown of the woman's gown is accurate, that's more like BSL2 equipment (I'm not an expert in any sense, just having reread the protocols, and applying logic)

    Besides that, I agree. There needs to be more definitive information available.

    Our facilities are not going to be able to handle a very big outbreak, if it gets out of control, Obama's executive order where people can be disappeared / quarantined for showing signs of respiratory illness (cough / sneeze).

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