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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This failure rests squarely on the CDC. They were suppose to be there to see that protocols were implemented and followed.
    How is it totally their fault that they didnt magically know beforehand that the Dallas patient was even arriving? How could they prepare a facility in advance?

    I think this is a huge wakeup call to all hospitals (or at least I hope so) that they all need to have the most basic, effective (meaning minimum required to treat Ebola), procedures and gear in place and start actively training to handle this.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    That hasn't stopped anybody from blaming the nurse for not following whatever the protocols are.
    I would be afraid, wouldnt most people? And under stress, people make mistakes and miss things, etc. They were not trained (much, if at all) on the gear and protocols and it's a great deal to remember. It's alot to ask of people not used to making life-changing decisions under great pressure.

    "NOW" they are talking about the protocol the CDC uses, the "buddy system." A little late apparently
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    LOLOL

    I love when somebody cant refute a response and all they do is give multiple, "na huhs," so I'll just point it out with 'ya huh' and then repost my response and you can try again with actual reasons why my opinions are wrong, instead of "na huh." If you can.



    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post

    I see no explanation for why dealing with ebola in four African countries is in our national interest. None. So far we completely agree. There is no national interest and therefore sending our troops there is a criminal act.

    I see no argument yet for a vital national interest. By keeping those exposed to ebola out of our country it does not matter what happens with the virus there.
    Very vital. Your denial means nothing, unless you can say why this isnt valid: "The more people Ebola infects, the more chances it has of mutating to become more virulent or airborne. If the disease becomes more dangerous, esp. more easily transmissable, then it will become much more difficult to control....meaning keeping it out of the US."

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    None of these are American vital national interests. Troops are not required. They should not have been sent.

    This is not a vital national interest either.
    Nothing refuted^^^, no facts, just na-huh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    It is clear that one of us has not thought it through. Why don't you and jetboogie get together and see if you can wring a vital national interest out of the air."

    Is there a vital national interest hidden in this manure that compels The One to send American military to ebola country? I do not see it. What mission will the troops accomplish that advances our strategy to achieve our political goals?
    Nothing refuted^^^, no facts, just na-huh.


    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    So where should we send our troops to combat the flu?

    Are you seriously trying to make an argument that because one disease is already here we should not stop a far worse one from being introduced for political reasons?
    Apparently your depth of knowlege on diseases is marginal at best. In the event of another disease epicenter where we had a chance to contain it, of course we'd attempt to so, in a similar manner. (Or hopefully better). Not all countries would necessarily allow it of course. However it all depends on the nature of the disease...how it's transmitted, how infectious, how deadly, etc. Flu, which is very infectious and easily transmissable, would require different methods and since it's mostly airborne, not easily contained at all. But it has the potential to be at least as deadly as Ebola.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I see. So if we prevent 150 people per day from coming to the nation from ebola country our economy is doomed?
    You 'see?' You do? Well I gave you many examples and you didnt manage to refute a single one in that comment^^^, just another na-huh.


    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    That is okay. I can tell that you are no rocket scientist. In your opinion does allowing 150 additional potential ebola carriers into the country every day increase fears or decrease fears. Ponder that for a few moments. Will our bridges collapse and the roads crumble if we do not let an additional 150 potential ebola carriers into the country every day? Will sending 4,000 of our American military to be exposed to ebola increase fears or diminish them?
    I never said anything about allowing more potential Ebola carriers into the US except I clearly said we had to stop air traffic to stop it, from all countries, not just those in West Africa, and discussed the economic impacts. However the more the disease *spreads* here in the US, the more steps the govt will have to take to prevent it. And every failure, every new case, adds to public fears. And who said sending our military over there 'reduces fear?' Not me. I said they had a legitimate purpose in helping contain the virus by assisting with construction (infrastructure), transportation, and security. Please try to read more carefully.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    And magically, you go off the rails into fantasy land...I wonder why?
    Please explain what is 'fantasy.' Be specific. Otherwise, what we have here folks, is another nh-huh. Not a thing refuted.


    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Having failed to accomplish your mission of describing the vital national interest that compels the Golfer to send American troops to ebola country you have lapsed into a strange fantasy of your own design. Bravo. Bravo, I say!
    Another na-huh without a single thing refuted, only attempts to attack...interesting....no content so you have to go on the defensive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    What did you learn?
    Well if you ever demonstrate an understanding of what's been written so far, I'd be happy to tell you.


    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    And yet, despite making it perfectly clear that you know there is a vital national interest in sending American troops to ebola country where they will be exposed to the virus, you are unable to make a case.
    Another na-huh without a single thing refuted, only attempts to attack...interesting....no content so you have to go on the defensive.



    Care to try again?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa
    I see you need it spelled out. It's not like no one else hasnt written this or discussed it in the media.

    The more people Ebola infects, the more chances it has of mutating to become more virulent or airborne. If the disease becomes more dangerous, esp. more easily transmissable, then it will become much more difficult to control....meaning keeping it out of the US.

    We know about the flu every year. We CANNOT keep it from crossing borders and infecting people all over America.

    Scaling back from the realities of the disease itself, the more we restrict air travel, the more we harm the economy. The more people in this country that fear Ebola, the fewer people go out and spend money. The more cases actually on the ground? The more people stop going to work. Infrastructure suffers, people dont make $ and they dont spend $. This is not rocket science. A true quarantine of communities would be a nightmare, not just economically but it would end up failing and crime and disease would spread. Will our troops fire on our own people? Will the police stay on the job? Will hospital staff? Look at what has just happened. All public servants will go home to try and protect their families.

    I've been reading about this...in science, epidemiology texts, and fiction...for 40 yrs. So far your perspective is limited to a pinhole.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Of course you failed in your explanation.
    Since you only managed to post 'na huh' over and over again, you never showed any failure.

    It's all there in black and white.


    And besides, I can always fall back on my signature below, in green
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    How is it totally their fault that they didnt magically know beforehand that the Dallas patient was even arriving? How could they prepare a facility in advance?

    I think this is a huge wakeup call to all hospitals (or at least I hope so) that they all need to have the most basic, effective (meaning minimum required to treat Ebola), procedures and gear in place and start actively training to handle this.
    Yeah, it's hasn't been in the news long enough. Come on, the CDC gets paid to react to an emergency.......and then blaming a nurse, really?
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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Yeah, it's hasn't been in the news long enough. Come on, the CDC gets paid to react to an emergency.......and then blaming a nurse, really?
    So the CDC can magically appear at a hospital before a patient even comes in for diagnosis?

    Wow. If the hospital wasnt properly prepared, that stuff doesnt arrive there by Star Trek transporter. And they've said their suits werent the top-level ones.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    What part of my response didnt you understand? They think she didnt put it on correctly or took it off improperly.

    Another part of CDC procedures is to have a buddy observing while doing so. Apparently 'the buddy system' part of the process was not shared with the hospital(s)
    How would someone watching make a difference? The claim was that it takes intimate contact, or absorbing the virus through an open wound.

    Clearly this was not the case, and that this is spreading far more easily than was originally suggested.

    I pointed out that ebola is a biosafety level 4 contagion.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    LOLOL

    I love when somebody cant refute a response and all they do is give multiple, "na huhs," so I'll just point it out with 'ya huh' and then repost my response and you can try again with actual reasons why my opinions are wrong, instead of "na huh." If you can.
    I agree. You should have stopped while you were behind. But you will continue in your error while you fail to make the case that the United States has a vital national interest in ebola country. You are unable to make a case because there is no case to be made.

    Care to try again?

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Since you only managed to post 'na huh' over and over again, you never showed any failure.
    It's all there in black and white.
    And besides, I can always fall back on my signature below, in green
    You failed to make the case that the US has a vital national interest in ebola country. It is because there is no vital interest.

    Try again or don't.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Do we have a Surgeon General yet--of course not--with the NRA leadership scoring the vote--preventing the appointment of the Nation's Doctor--so now we have their GOP lackies out with lies we don't have a unified voice--I'm glad GWB had a Surgeon General to do outstanding work in Africa with AIDs .
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