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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You're missing step one of a rational analysis of this, so no wonder you're missing the rest.
    Uh-huh.

    It won't BE just four African countries unless it's contained.
    We can add to our list of people those who come from ebola country no matter how many countries that eventually includes. For now it is four countries. Whether it spreads or not is not our problem. It is the problem of those countries who do not stop it at their borders.

    It will be all of Africa,
    If it was going to be all of Africa why wouldn't it already be all of Africa?

    EVD was first identified in an area of Sudan that is now part of South Sudan, as well as in Zaire (now the Democratic Republic of the Congo). The disease typically occurs in outbreaks in tropical regions of sub-Saharan Africa.[1] From 1976 (when it was first identified) through 2013, the World Health Organization reported a total of 1,716 cases.[1][4] The largest outbreak to date is the ongoing 2014 West African Ebola outbreak, which is currently affecting Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia, and Nigeria.[5][6] As of 10 October 2014, 8,376 suspected cases resulting in the deaths of 4,024 have been reported.
    If it has not sread to the entire world since 1976 why do you believe it will spread to the entire world this time?

    which will inevitably bleed over into the ME, then to S. Europe, etc. Unless we isolate all of the U.S. from all international trade and international travel (impossible) that means it comes here. So the "national interest" is to contain the spread, which will require lots of outside help, and that means travel, flights, etc to that area have to continue, both from here and from Europe, etc.
    After we have stopped ebola-exposed people from coming here get back to me in a year or so and let's discuss it again. Meanwhile try not to hyperventilate while you imagine that we should not protect Americans with a simple "No" to the ebola-exposed.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Uh-huh.


    We can add to our list of people those who come from ebola country no matter how many countries that eventually includes. For now it is four countries. Whether it spreads or not is not our problem. It is the problem of those countries who do not stop it at their borders.

    If it was going to be all of Africa why wouldn't it already be all of Africa?

    EVD was first identified in an area of Sudan that is now part of South Sudan, as well as in Zaire (now the Democratic Republic of the Congo). The disease typically occurs in outbreaks in tropical regions of sub-Saharan Africa.[1] From 1976 (when it was first identified) through 2013, the World Health Organization reported a total of 1,716 cases.[1][4] The largest outbreak to date is the ongoing 2014 West African Ebola outbreak, which is currently affecting Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia, and Nigeria.[5][6] As of 10 October 2014, 8,376 suspected cases resulting in the deaths of 4,024 have been reported.
    If it has not sread to the entire world since 1976 why do you believe it will spread to the entire world this time?


    After we have stopped ebola-exposed people from coming here get back to me in a year or so and let's discuss it again. Meanwhile try not to hyperventilate while you imagine that we should not protect Americans with a simple "No" to the ebola-exposed.
    It makes no sense that a few people coming HERE is a dire threat, but that you're confident it won't spread beyond a few countries in Africa, and so we can pull up the ladders and ignore it and use "hope" as our strategy for dealing with it.

    But I guess we can agree to disagree. It seems obvious containing the disease to those four countries is a more pressing national security issue by orders of magnitude than the trillions we've spent fighting 'terrorism.'

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It makes no sense that a few people coming HERE is a dire threat, but that you're confident it won't spread beyond a few countries in Africa, and so we can pull up the ladders and ignore it and use "hope" as our strategy for dealing with it.

    But I guess we can agree to disagree. It seems obvious containing the disease to those four countries is a more pressing national security issue by orders of magnitude than the trillions we've spent fighting 'terrorism.'
    The very first question one must ask before committing troops is, are you ready for it, what is our vital national interest?

    You cannot provide even a national interest much less one that makes it worth our while to use our precious military. We have no national interest and yet you cannot wait for thousands of troops to be exposed.

    The second question is why won't the American-hating One on the golf course take the immediate logical step of telling people who are potentially ebola-exposed that they may no longer come here.

    Someone just spend a half million dollars to give Duncan a place to die. We do not need any more Duncans. Let them die inexpensively in their own countries.

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    Re: What is The One's strategy for defeating Ebola? Crickets...

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I won't bother addressing all your points.
    BINGO, because you CAN'T.
    Admitted Preface to another Deflection.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jasper
    The fact is travel bans to be effective will cause massive logistical problems for the aid workers, and those getting supplies and people into the area. If someone wants to make a serious proposal, such as setting up the kind of charter flights that can coordinate across dozens of countries, and hundreds of suppliers to get the needed manpower and supplies there, and then arrange for the in-region quarantines or deal with the quarantines back here in the U.S. for soldiers and volunteers and paid workers with the NGOs and the rest, and we budget the money to pay for all that, then that's fine, but it will require a massive cooperative effort. If you're suggesting that the Obama administration should start that, OK, fine. Then you've got a serious position
    I've ALREADY Specified "Special Charter flights" (Only) in my posts, including my last.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jasper
    But don't pretend that there's no "logical" point to objecting to knee-jerk travel bans. There is at a minimum the serious requirement that we weigh the harm, and cost and incredible difficulty of an EFFECTIVE travel ban and the harm such a ban would cause to getting needed help there in the region with the benefits of preventing some people from coming here already infected, including workers and volunteers. You're pretending it's a one way, no downside but inconvenience proposition. That's just naive.
    A Travel ban to those 3 Tiny countries is beyond Easy.
    Another Whiff.

    Letting this virus Travel has already cost the economy Tens of BILLIONS of dollars.
    Not just the tiny Duncan Treatment but UNTOLD Delay in Airports and Hospitals and extra Training.

    The world's Stock markets have been Hammered by this as well. It may take a point off world GDP due to fear and travel diminishing.
    Mostly ISOLATING it with a Travel Ban would help immensely.

    Your posts are all deflections.
    At least backhandedly ADMITTING in this one, my Charter flights of Med personnel Only, IS a good position.
    Game Over.
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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    The very first question one must ask before committing troops is, are you ready for it, what is our vital national interest?

    You cannot provide even a national interest much less one that makes it worth our while to use our precious military. We have no national interest and yet you cannot wait for thousands of troops to be exposed.
    I've stated the national interest, you just won't accept it. If the ebola outbreak reaches a critical mass, it COULD/WILL SPREAD TO EUROPE, ASIA, THE ME, INDIA, CHINA, and HERE. If you can't see how a worldwide ebola outbreak threatens our national interest, there isn't any use in having a discussion.


    The second question is why won't the American-hating One on the golf course take the immediate logical step of telling people who are potentially ebola-exposed that they may no longer come here.

    Someone just spend a half million dollars to give Duncan a place to die. We do not need any more Duncans. Let them die inexpensively in their own countries.
    Maybe we could use our military to bomb the affected villages, then burn the victims? That might work.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I've stated the national interest, you just won't accept it.
    In your opinion what is our national interest? You claim you have given a national interest. I have not seen one.

    If the ebola outbreak reaches a critical mass, it COULD/WILL SPREAD TO EUROPE, ASIA, THE ME, INDIA, CHINA, and HERE. If you can't see how a worldwide ebola outbreak threatens our national interest, there isn't any use in having a discussion.
    Has ebola, which we have been aware of since the 1970s, behaved this way? Preventing hyperventilation is not a vital national interest.

    The best way to prevent your scarey scenario is for every country to do as I believe we should. Why do you fight against such a low cost, effective solution? My believe is that you are black, a liberal or both. For you this is not about a virus. It is about politics or skin color.

    Maybe we could use our military to bomb the affected villages, then burn the victims? That might work.
    It is not our problem to solve. We should stop assaulting our military.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    This nurse, in order to not sound racist, today endorsed the idea of continuing to bring in thousands of West Africans every week. 'Even if I die it will be well worth it........and my small contribution to diversity', she said.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by northwinds View Post
    This nurse, in order to not sound racist, today endorsed the idea of continuing to bring in thousands of West Africans every week. 'Even if I die it will be well worth it........and my small contribution to diversity', she said.
    Our strength lies in our perversity.

    She is dying to be diverse. What a waste of a young life.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    But Obama and his CDC lackey still think everything is fine!
    I dont get that impression from the hearings I watched on CSpan or any other news I've been watching (I dont watch Fox News).
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    If she doesn't recover its going to ugly.

    People dont trust this administration and or the CDC anyway.

    If a young healthy woman, who is recieving immediate care in America doesn't survive, people are going to lose it and demand all travel be stopped immediately from West Africa.
    I dont see anything wrong with that but it wont fix it. We'd have to do the same to flights from other countries as those travelling from W. Africa could just come thru those countries (altho some countries are restricting those flights too).
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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