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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    They just need to stop flights from coming from West Africa. Failing that, people should be thoroughly screened before being allowed to set foot on the plane in Africa. We spend billions worldwide on disease control and epidemic quarantine protocols, how hard is it?

    It's not surprising that at least one person in contact with patient zero contracted ebola. U.S. hospitals are in an abysmal state, many are in third world conditions. If ebola hits any of our under-resourced medical facilities, it will spread like crazy.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    May her recovery be swift and complete.



    If she doesn't recover its going to ugly.

    People dont trust this administration and or the CDC anyway.

    If a young healthy woman, who is recieving immediate care in America doesn't survive, people are going to lose it and demand all travel be stopped immediately from West Africa.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    They just need to stop flights from coming from West Africa. Failing that, people should be thoroughly screened before being allowed to set foot on the plane in Africa. We spend billions worldwide on disease control and epidemic quarantine protocols, how hard is it?

    It's not surprising that at least one person in contact with patient zero contracted ebola. U.S. hospitals are in an abysmal state, many are in third world conditions. If ebola hits any of our under-resourced medical facilities, it will spread like crazy.


    It would be nice to get the truth from the CDC.

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    Re: What is The One's strategy for defeating Ebola? Crickets...

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    I already specified I support Intensive aid/med teams.
    But only in and out by Chartered flights with special precautions, including possible quarantine.
    COVERED.

    Duh..
    By the time they drove anywhere significant they'd probably be overtly sick if they were.
    (Can you even drive anywhere significant from ie, Monrovia, Liberia. Border Checkpoints too)
    They still can't Fly without Documentation/Passports from the 3 countries, and can't get to the USA/EU.
    COVERED.

    It's spectacularly Easy and several airlines/countries have done so, including British Airways and Kenya Airways.

    Again, what happens when one lands in Bombay, Libya, Mexico City, or Honduras, instead of Dallas?
    UNANSWERED.

    Stopping flights won't be 100%, but 90% is a Big improvement and will SLOW/CONTAIN the spread in good degree.
    Your DISINGENUOUS answer doesn't even disagree it could slow the spread dramatically, just BSes up technical objections.

    And again, what's the downside? Ten/Twenty thousand people loose their 'privilege' of International travel for a year?

    Indeed, Straight answers are impossible from your crowd because you have NO logical point, just kneejerk PC.
    I won't bother addressing all your points. The fact is travel bans to be effective will cause massive logistical problems for the aid workers, and those getting supplies and people into the area. If someone wants to make a serious proposal, such as setting up the kind of charter flights that can coordinate across dozens of countries, and hundreds of suppliers to get the needed manpower and supplies there, and then arrange for the in-region quarantines or deal with the quarantines back here in the U.S. for soldiers and volunteers and paid workers with the NGOs and the rest, and we budget the money to pay for all that, then that's fine, but it will require a massive cooperative effort. If you're suggesting that the Obama administration should start that, OK, fine. Then you've got a serious position.

    But don't pretend that there's no "logical" point to objecting to knee-jerk travel bans. There is at a minimum the serious requirement that we weigh the harm, and cost and incredible difficulty of an EFFECTIVE travel ban and the harm such a ban would cause to getting needed help there in the region with the benefits of preventing some people from coming here already infected, including workers and volunteers. You're pretending it's a one way, no downside but inconvenience proposition. That's just naive.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    If it enters your bloodstream. And not your mouth I dont believe because stomach acid kills most things except enterics.

    So you have to have a cut on your hand or touch your eyeball or something like that. So it is possible but not that likely.
    Incorrect. It can be transmitted through your mouth, as well as your eye, a mucus membrane(nose) or via a wound.

    Basically if it enters your body in any manner, you are probably going to contract it.

    So a possible scenario would be: guy sneezes on your protective suit, you take it off, accidentally touch the phlegm, then hours later you wipe your mouth, you have ebola.

    Some variation of the above is most likely how the nurse contracted it, unless there is a new means of transmission that has yet to be discovered with this strain

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Of course it's in our national interest.
    Let's see what sort of case you make.
    Our troops are there to protect our country. How well do you think our country could defend itself in a major epidemic from outside threats from Russia or China, for example? What would happen to our economy with even the *real* threat of an epidemic here? (btw, that is the greatest danger here IMO).
    I see no explanation for why dealing with ebola in four African countries is in our national interest. None. So far we completely agree. There is no national interest and therefore sending our troops there is a criminal act.

    We 'fought terrorism over there so we wouldnt have to fight it here' and that is exactly what our involvement is over there.
    The vital national interest was the free flow of oil at market prices.

    Helping to contain it. Helping them to prevent as much additional spread of the disease because the more that get infected, the greater the chance that it will become more virulent or even airborne.
    I see no argument yet for a vital national interest. By keeping those exposed to ebola out of our country it does not matter what happens with the virus there.

    They do this by helping to build and protect infrastructure. Transport and protect medical supplies. Providing security for our medical personnel and medical supplies (these supplies are regularly stolen and sold on the black market).
    None of these are American vital national interests. Troops are not required. They should not have been sent.

    And they can be quarantined before returning to the US on American transport planes.
    This is not a vital national interest either.

    It's obvious you havent thought this through if you dont see how this serves vital American interests. Just a guess but I'd bet you havent thought about the economic issue at all.
    It is clear that one of us has not thought it through. Why don't you and jetboogie get together and see if you can wring a vital national interest out of the air.

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    Re: What is The One's strategy for defeating Ebola? Crickets...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I know and I love how people just gloss this over and say, 'oh just dont let them on the planes there.'

    It means stopping people coming in from any country. And depending on 100% accurate screening in those countries for the disease/early symptoms/fever. We cant even do that here.

    The economic implications of this are very damaging. As are the civil rights issues for Americans trying to return.
    I do not believe you know how international travel works. People who want to come here have to ask. We can decline to let them if they have been in ebola country recently.

    It will stop 150 people per day from arriving here from ebola country. There are essentially no economic consequences.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    They just need to stop flights from coming from West Africa. Failing that, people should be thoroughly screened before being allowed to set foot on the plane in Africa. We spend billions worldwide on disease control and epidemic quarantine protocols, how hard is it?

    It's not surprising that at least one person in contact with patient zero contracted ebola. U.S. hospitals are in an abysmal state, many are in third world conditions. If ebola hits any of our under-resourced medical facilities, it will spread like crazy.
    You cant tell if someone's infected till they show symptoms, up to three weeks later.
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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I see no explanation for why dealing with ebola in four African countries is in our national interest. None. So far we completely agree. There is no national interest and therefore sending our troops there is a criminal act.
    You're missing step one of a rational analysis of this, so no wonder you're missing the rest. It won't BE just four African countries unless it's contained. It will be all of Africa, which will inevitably bleed over into the ME, then to S. Europe, etc. Unless we isolate all of the U.S. from all international trade and international travel (impossible) that means it comes here. So the "national interest" is to contain the spread, which will require lots of outside help, and that means travel, flights, etc to that area have to continue, both from here and from Europe, etc.

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    Re: What is The One's strategy for defeating Ebola? Crickets...

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I won't bother addressing all your points.
    Nor I yours.
    The fact is travel bans to be effective will cause massive logistical problems for the aid workers, and those getting supplies and people into the area.
    Big ****ing deal. They can go there all they want. They just cannot come back until after they have been in quarantine for three weeks.

    If someone wants to make a serious proposal,
    I already have. Do not let people who have recently been in ebola country come into the US. Period.

    such as setting up the kind of charter flights that can coordinate across dozens of countries, and hundreds of suppliers to get the needed manpower and supplies there, and then arrange for the in-region quarantines or deal with the quarantines back here in the U.S. for soldiers and volunteers and paid workers with the NGOs and the rest, and we budget the money to pay for all that, then that's fine, but it will require a massive cooperative effort. If you're suggesting that the Obama administration should start that, OK, fine. Then you've got a serious position.

    But don't pretend that there's no "logical" point to objecting to knee-jerk travel bans.
    There is no logical reason to allow people who may have been exposed to ebola come to the US.

    There is at a minimum the serious requirement that we weigh the harm,
    There are no benefits to the nation for allowing people who may have been exposed to ebola to come here. None.

    and cost and incredible difficulty of an EFFECTIVE travel ban
    There is essentially no cost to telling people who may have been exposed to ebola that they cannot come here. It becomes effective as soon as the One on the golf course tells his worthless state department to stop letting people who have recently been to ebola country come here.

    and the harm such a ban would cause to getting needed help there in the region with the benefits of preventing some people from coming here already infected, including workers and volunteers.
    You may go there anytime you wish. And I wish you would. You may not return until after you have been in quarantine or have been elsewhere for at least 21 days after you have left there.

    You're pretending it's a one way, no downside but inconvenience proposition. That's just naive.
    One of us is naive. It is not me.

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